EVIL Surfer's Ear

Is anyone else out there afflicted with this? I have 90% fill in in my left ear and 80% in my right. I’ve been wearing ear plugs for a year or two and that’s helped with the chronic ear infections. I can hardly hear if there’s any background noise and I’m only 28, going “What?” all of the time. I think I’m finally going to get the puppies drilled out and was wondering if anyone has had this procedure done and if it has dramatically helped them?

Also, I’ve heard rumors of a new laser surgery that’s relatively painless (they don’t have to cut your ear off!) Anyone know about this? I’d love to hear (what?) if anyone has this disease and treatment options and success stories! Thanks!

Always wear a hood (with your plugs if you can stand both). Rinse with Rx wash or mix your own drops. Blow-dry your ears after surfing. DO NOT use Q-tips.

I haven’t had the ear-flap/power drill surgery but a friend of mine did, said it was very painful, and kept him out of the water for 8 weeks, plus the bony growth is more likely to grow back fast after being drilled out.

My thinking on this is, unless you are in constant pain and can’t hear enough to function, I would wait as long as possible, because new methods may be just around the corner - and I want others to be the guinea pigs on the new methods, not me…

Just wondering does everyone eventually get surfers ear? I had my ears looked at few years ago and did not have any signs of it… I never wear ear plus either…

no, not everyone gets surfer’s ear. Consider yourself lucky.

On the other hand, you might be developing surfer’s brain, oh NO!!!

ha ha just kidding Ben.

Burt Burger speculated that the waxier the inner ear the safer you are. …check the archives…

 Howzit Deke, Back in 1978 I had a terrible case of surfers ear so bad that one ear canal eas 80% closed and the other ear was about 60% closed. The doctor said he wished he had a camera that took ear pics since mine was one of the worst cases he'd seen. I started using a mixture of half alcohol and half vinegar in my ears after every surf and shower. 11 years later I had them checked again and the doctor said they were fine and very open. He felt hat the vinegar was the secret since it abates boney growth and after 11 years the growths were gone. They say that vinegar helps with arthritus which is also calcium deposits which is what is growing in your ears. Aloha,Kokua

I was diagnosed in about 1980 by Dr. Scott of Doc’s Pro Plugs. He took pictures and told me I had 30 to 40 percent closure. I wear a hood religiously. Today, 25 years later I’m still at about 30 to 40 percent. I’d only get the surgery as a last resort. Mike

i too am 28, i grew up surfing aound San Fran, never wore a hood or pulgs…

moved to hawaii, added windsurfing to increase my water time. after my fourth year in hawaii ) i started getting horriable ear infections that hurt so bad i couldn’t sleep and sometimes could hardly walk… surfers ear, less then 1mm opening in the left and 80% closed in the right. the doc said i was making it worse by “packing” the openings with ear wax because i was using q tips (think of packing an old gun or cannon).

i had the left drilled last christmas. really not to big of deal other then no surfing for 6 weeks. didn’t really hurt at all. i think i took like two pain killers. but i couldn’t work with power tools for about 3 weeks because they were just too loud, somthing to consider if you do that type of thing for $$.

as for “cutting your ear off” i am not sure what that is about. with mine they went in, peeled some skin off and grinded the bones away, layed the skin back down…

my doc said that problems arise when there is %100 closure because then they can’t see the ear drum and have not debth mark. of course, there is some nerve damage and perment hearing loss risks. just find a doc who has done a buch of them…

total bill was about $12,000 with the cat scans and all the other crap so insurance would help…

it is intresting. my two buddies who started suring with me, still surf a ton, still live in the SF area, and who both just started wearing hoods have very little closure…

essentially, the growth is your ear’s reaction to protect the inner ear from damage due to cold wind and water.thus, if you are consistently exposed to these types of conditions isuggest you start wearing a hood(along with the plugs you are already using), and use a rinse of some sort(i use 90% alcohol)the idea being the solution will be such that it will quickly evaporate the trapped water in your ear.many use peroxide, vinegar or alcohol(or combination ) with positive results.studies show that post surgery growth happens at twice the rate of growth pre-surgery.they also show that the growth can be stopped, and in some cases reversed(to a certain degree) if you take care of them(ears)by using plugs, solutions and hoods-religiously.back in late 80’s i was getting several ear infections every year-had 90% closure in one 85 in the other-and of course they wanted to drill.i did my research and immediately jumped on the maintenance/preventitive plan.i have had just a couple of infections since then, but more importantly, the growth has not progressed, NOR have i had the surgery.hope this helps…

I too was in my late 20’s. Lots of Sailboarding and Surfing and the water is filthy here. I had almost 100% closure, bi-lateral. Agony. Really did not want the surgery. I hated the earplugs and stubborn about the hood. Generally stopped using eardrops and focused on keeping my ears warm post-session. Keeping my ears warm during sleep was a big help. Now at 42, I have neither issues with my hearing nor those hateful face-numbing clogs. It appears that the warmth reverses the growth over time. Been to Indo, Maldives, and Hawaii which always gave me ear-grief, all in the last two years, and no problems. ALSO, few years ago, I got these anti-biotic ear drops called Cipro from the nurse who gave me my shots before one of my Indo trips. I’m hooked on those things, any time I start to sense a clog, I use Cipro, and all is well. Lastly, I found that sticking anything in the ear is bad, even those earbud Q-tip things. The ear tissues swell a tiny bit every time. I think I will try Kokua’s mixture as a post-surf ear drying trick; could be the last piece in the puzzle as I heard the same thing about growth reversal…

My friend had 90 % closure and was operated on. The doctor did something wrong and damaged his ear. He has now undergone another operation and has been out of the water for close to a six months. He gets dizzy when his ear gets wet. And yes they cut his ear at the back a folded it forward. Point being get a good doctor with lots of experience with this. DR

There’s two maladies getting mixed in here, Surfer’s Ear, and Swimmer’s ear.

Swimmer’s ear is a persistent ear canal infection. A preventative flush to use after swimming is 5% glycerin, 95% of a 1:1 rubbing alcohol/vinegar mix. The mix dries and creates an acidic environment in the ear. The acidic environment is unfriendly to the bacteria that normally grow in there.

Surfer’s Ear is exostosis, a bony growth in response to cold in the ear canal. The only known preventative is preventing cold from getting in the canal. If you have enough bony growth, the ear canal will have a hard time drying out after exposure, and you may additionally get Swimmer’s Ear. Standard ear drops for surfer’s ear-related infections are 95% rubbing alcohol and 5% glycerin (although pure rubbing alcohol will work fine most of the time - if the skin gets dried out and cracks you will know to add glycerin). Surfer’s Ear CAN close the canal entirely, although the persistent infections usually lead patients to seek medical help first.

Hardware stores carry glycerin, and the ear drops can be home mixed VERY cheaply, there are also several companies that make the mixes commercially for 10 times as much.

If you have an advanced case of surfer’s ear, the only non-surgical choice is zero water entry in the canal, which means you use waxy plugs, or soft silicone plugs, to allow ZERO water entry. If water enters, use the Surfer’s Ear drops (alcohol and glycerin) to prevent infection (Swimmer’s ear). Although there is no published medical literature on Surfer’s Ear going away, I am personally aware of several people who have adopted the zero tolerance policy and gone from >90% blocked to normal ear canals over a decade. So maybe there is something to it.

It is a slow process, growing and going away.

Vinegar CANNOT dissolve the bony growths, the bone grows under a layer of skin, and the vinegar only reaches the skin and will not be absorbed into the system.

There are a few approaches to the surgery - as far as Otolaryngological Surgeries go it is one of the easiest ones done.

As Keith mentioned, Q-tips in the ear canal are a no-no. They tend to pack wax more deeply into the canal, and the wax can block the canal completely and lead to bad Swimmer’s Ear. If you’ve already packed your wax, you can try to load the ear canal with mineral oil (baby oil), pack it in with a cotton ball, and sleep on it. The oil will soften the wax so your ear’s normal clearing mechanisms can get the wax out. It’ll take about a day for full effect, and you may hear a little muffled for a day, but no harm from it at all.

If you get the surgery, I got lots of refs in the Bay Area, and expect 6 weeks out of the water (you can do both ears at once to minimize the time out).

Avid water go-ers in cold water regions will ALL have measurable exostosis after 7 years, if they do not use plugs/hoods. I had a friend who got double-drilled after 5 surfing in Santa Cruz.

There are only very rare cases of Surfer’s Ear at locations that do not break 68F in water temp all year.

Disclaimer: I work with several ENT surgeons on research projects, but am not an MD. HTH.

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There are only very rare cases of Surfer’s Ear at locations that do not break 68F in water temp all year.

My original ENT (ear nose throat) doctor told me that tropical water was no prevention, as evaporative cooling from repeated wettings could easily meet the stresses one gets from frequent prolonged cold water soakings. Tropical water could numerically increase the exposures, tropical heat could numerically increase the evaporative coolings. He also had interesting things to say about an activity like surfing or windsurfing vs. skin or scuba diving exposures, but that has been so long ago I don’t recall what he said clearly anymore.

There ahs been over 20 years of compiled stats since that time. It would be interesting to know current thought details.

wow I was thinking about getting my ear wax cleaned out but I guess I’ll just leave it in their to protect it

Just to add emphasis to a point made earlier–getting drilled before your ears close 100%, even though it may sound unpleasant, is WAY better than if your ears grow closed all the way. If this happens, it’s hard for the surgeon to be able to tell where your original ear canal was in the first place, and since there is a lot going on in that area, including a major facial nerve, a swerve off course could have bad results.

I recently went to the doc, and while I got a good report (5% left, 20% right) he advised to get them checked every year, and every six months for someone who has above 40% closure. Also, he said that hearing loss isn’t usually noticeable until about 80-85% closure (!) so if anyone is experiencing hearing problems, best go get looked at ASAP.

wells

Howzit blakestah, Actually what we call surfers ear is a malady that fisherman have been suffering from before surfing was invented. Any one who spends a lot of time on the ocean or lakes where there is a lot of cold wind is subject to it. I have to disagree about the vinegar since your skin will absorb the vinegar and eventually it reaches the exostosis underneath. The alcohol evaporates but not the vinegar. The surfers ear drops with glycerin never worked for me. All it does is dry the ear canal and like you said the glycerin is added to help prevent cracking of the skin. It was an Ear specialist who informed me that the vinegar does abate the boney growths but you have to use it almost every day in order for it to have an effect. Another thing which helps is an ear bulb syringe for flushing the accumulated crud in the ear canal that ear wax can't get out because of the exostosis. It's a maintenance program that can take years but it works and one of the scariest things about the operation is there is a faint possibility that the surgery can cause a stroke if not done correctlly The doctor told me he wished he had before and after pictures of my ear canals for medical journal information. Aloha,Kokua
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no, not everyone gets surfer’s ear. Consider yourself lucky.

On the other hand, you might be developing surfer’s brain, oh NO!!!

ha ha just kidding Ben.

Keith… Lucky huh! I was born with surfer’s brain plus I was born with no skull cap, so my Mom plopped a wig on my head and the hair fused onto the top of my head, :+)

Deke,

About 35 years ago, Dr. Marshall White (he surfed Makaha at that time) who worked out of the Ewa Clinic, treated my condition with AAA Otic Solution. It consisted of 50% alcohol, and 50% vinegar. Alcohol for drying, and the vinegar to create a PH environment hostile to bacterial growth. Mix your own. I had the surgery mid 80’s. Not a bad experience. Good luck to you.

According to my ENT doc, Q tips are a no-no after being in the ocean for another reason - invariably there will be sand and/or salt crystals in your ear canal, using the Q-tip in there is like sandpapering your ear lining, and opens it up to infection thru many small scratches. So, no Q-tips after ocean = fewer ear infections.

I make my own drops out of alcohol, hydrogen peroxide (I just love that bubbling sensation!) and vinegar. There are many recipes but what counts most is that you use them consistently.

In cold waters, buy a hood and wear it. 'nuff said.

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There are only very rare cases of Surfer’s Ear at locations that do not break 68F in water temp all year.

My original ENT (ear nose throat) doctor told me that tropical water was no prevention, as evaporative cooling from repeated wettings could easily meet the stresses one gets from frequent prolonged cold water soakings. Tropical water could numerically increase the exposures, tropical heat could numerically increase the evaporative coolings. He also had interesting things to say about an activity like surfing or windsurfing vs. skin or scuba diving exposures, but that has been so long ago I don’t recall what he said clearly anymore.

There ahs been over 20 years of compiled stats since that time. It would be interesting to know current thought details.

There’s a nice study done in Japan at two different locations, found almost no exostosis at the southern location, where water temps are always 68F or greater.

Dunno about vinegar, Kokua, when I ask UCSF ENT tenured faculty about it all I get are blank stares, and there is no basis in the published literature to support the use of vinegar to minimize bone growth in exostosis.

That’s doesn’t mean it couldn’t work - just that I and others are unaware of evidence that it does.