fin systems - pros/cons? (fcs,redx,future...)

I’m sure this is mostly personal preference… but what is best and what are the pros/cons of FCS, Red-X, Future… fins systems.

This is motivated by the desire to buy some Pro-Teck Safety fins for my

wife and son, but they don’t currently have the different sizes in FCS.

http://www.surfcohawaii.com/fins.htm

They do have all sizes in Red-X, but I know nothing about this system.

Thoughts:

  1. which are easier to install

  2. which require the least tooling to install

  3. which are stronger

  4. which plugs are cheaper/easier to come by

  5. durability (system, not the fin)

For one I don’t want to invest in install tools/jigs for multiple fin systems, nor do I want to have to master multiple systems (to begin with).

thanks

  1. FCS

  2. FCS

  3. RedX, Future, FCS

  4. probably FCS

  5. not sure

Yo, where’s Lokbox when you need him! Jump in here, homes…

Easiest to install has to be the Bahne/Fins Unlimited box - just one long slot to dig. OTOH, the fins tend to be expensive if you get glass fins, but are widely available.

I have also used O’Fishl, and made my own 2-piece router template that works pretty well, but NO ONE sells the fins except Fiberglass Hawaii (open M-F, 1/2 day Sat) so they’re hard to get.

Now I use Futures, and made another 2-piece router template; fins are a little more widely available.

I can’t get FCS inserts at the retail level without an “in” somewhere, which I don’t have, and I don’t think their system is particularly strong as it is usually installed.

Other systems are hard to come by around here, or not available at all, so I don’t use 'em.

Ease of installation really comes down to what you’re most familiar with and what you’re setup for. We (Red X) have our installation tools set up for production. People that install alot of Red X tell me that it’s actually easier than FCS. But, then others get real intemidated using a plunge router.

Timmy Patterson was describing a drill motor installation that he’s working out to install Red X in tight channel bottoms. He’s basically taking a 1" bit and interlinking the holes to fit our box with a small thick template.

Red X is the strongest fin system made. Now it comes down to how strong you make your boards.

Our system retails for the same as FCS. We are available world wide. But, not as available as FCS. Honolulu talk to Brian Ping at T&C for Red X availability in your area.

The durability comes down to how strong you make the board around the box.

Tom (RedX)

others get real intemidated using a plunge router.

thats fine, I use a plunge for my single fin box

since I plan to use ProTeck Safety fins, do you sell just the boxes?

and where can I get them? I’m in SoCal.

thanks

can’t get FCS inserts at the retail level without an “in” somewhere

FoamEZ sells both complete systems and just the plugs.

We make them in San Clemente. We sell boxes seperately. You can get them at Basham’s. Or we are just down the street. Larry Block in Simi Valley will ship any where.

Lokbox are probably second in terms of strength and may be first in durability. Nice fins too!

FCS biggest problem is how the sharp ends of the base extend up onto the bottom glass past the plugs. You either have to really beef up the glass all around or you run the risk of cracking the glass with one really minor knock on the fin.

Red X solves this somewhat because the anchor-through system makes the fin less prone to movement, but I’ve still seen a board with cracks in the glass where the back end of the fin sits on the glass. Maybe the board was glassed too light, but it was a longboard and didn’t seem overly light.

Futures & lockbox don’t have this issue at all because of the boxes. The sharp ends of the base sit inside the box, just like a bahne box fin. Just my $.02

Quote:
  1. FCS

  2. FCS

  3. RedX, Future, FCS

  4. probably FCS

  5. not sure

i completely disagree with you on 1, 2, and 3.

futures are the way to go, IMHO…but stay away from FCS at all costs. they take more effort to install, and provide more opportunities to screw up along the way. fcs plugs are notorious for breaking (but at least the ding repair guys love 'em). and futures, in my experience, really hold like a glass-on fin. it’s really a solid system. and they even have a really good, readily available selection of fins.

In the latest transworld biz news, Rusty is quoted describing what he would like to see in a fin system. " My wish list is a box that doesn’t go through the deck, is easy to install,durable,light,and has at least a component of adjustability. "

He just described Lokbox!

THE LOKBOX™

The Lokbox fin box is the most versatile anchoring device for a surfboard fin available today. Designed by surfers and surfboard builders, we have focused on several different things:

First and foremost is performance! In order for a surfboard fin to function properly, it must be firmly attached to the surfboard, regardless of the fins construction.

The lokbox uses a tapered cavity and matching fin base, providing a very solid attachment from fin to board.

Next we focused on durability of the box in the finished board. The Lokbox is installed using polyester laminating resin, and fits very tight to the routed hole. The box is then glassed over with fiberglass cloth. This combined with the unique elliptical shape of the box, give it incredible strength! The “ellipse” is used in many facets of construction and engineering concepts. A continuous curve will minimize the chance of a crack ever forming. Good examples of this effect can be seen in airplane or boat windows. They are usually round. During repeated stresses, cracks will usually start from a corner or straight edge. By eliminating these weak points, durability and strength increase.

Installation and user friendliness for the glasser was our next concern. The Lokbox can be easily installed on the foam blank, or after laminating. Knowing that improper fin “cant” or fin angle will hinder a boards performance, the Lokbox is designed to have adjustable “cant” during installation. This allows for accurate fin angles to be set according to the type of board that’s being built.

We also knew that trying to install a flat box into a flat hole cut into a curved surface such as the bottom of all surfboards, would raise some issues. The ends would tend to sit high and get possibly sanded through, and the center would be deeper, and need to be filled in with resin. Therefore the Lokbox has a CURVATURE or “rocker” engineered into the box, which helps to maintain the rocker on the bottom of the finished board.

Next came adjustability of the fins. Lokbox fins can be adjusted in the box ¼ inch forward or ¼ inch back from the shapers fin position mark Just moving the center fin 1/8th of an inch can create a noticeable difference in your boards performance. Adjusting your fins is the easiest way for a surfer to alter/improve the performance of his/her board.

Next was how to combat the problem of serious impacts to the fins while surfing. A damaged or destroyed fin box can be a major bummer, especially on surf trips. Lokbox fins are designed to detach from the fin box during severe impacts to solid objects such as the reef. The fins are held in by a stainless metal plate known as the “finlok”. The finlok is designed to bend during these impacts, and release the fin/s from the box. In most cases this spares damage to the fin box. Backup fin/s can then be installed after removing the bent finlok from the screw, and placing it on a flat surface then flattening it back out with a hammer or other solid object. Put the finlok back on the screw, install fins, and your back in the water!..quick!

Hey Lokbox, i would like to know if there’s and easy way to install Lokbox without using your $150 router template because i would like to give a try to your fin boxes before buying the complete kit.

Thanks. Coque.

PS: about the fin box ranking i just want to say that i’ll choose Lokbox or Futures (haven’t seen Red-X), and i’ll put FCS at the end of my list, but FCS are easy to install and you don’t need special tools, so it’s perfect to try on your first boards.

Hey Coque,

I recently installed my first lokbox and did not use any special tools. I simply traced the oval outline and used a router freehand. Anyone can make hole patterns out of foam even just using a blade. FCS is easy to install too…see pic (reworked board so its not cosmetically clean). Lokbox fins are not readily available at the shops like FCS.

Loxbox does have an adapter that fits into the loxbox and allows it to accept fcs fins. This allows the user the choice of all the fcs fins available.

If your local shop does not carry Lokbox fins, ask WHY NOT. Have them contact rainbow at info@rainbowfins.com or us at lokbox@sbcglobal.net You can do it the way meecrafty did it if your just doing a board or 2. Contact me at the lokbox e-mail posted if you have further questions. Thanks Jim

My shaper says that they have trouble with futures when a deep concave is involved - an issue regarding fin cant/box shape/concave = strength issues. It is also said that the ‘suspension system’ is not so good, and expensive band-aid and hated by glassers…

I am trying to escape the evil clutches of FCS and am happy with my futures boards but now this obstacle has come up and I don’t do glass-ons (lots of travel) and I don’t want a third fin system.

anyone have any insight into this futures vs. deep concave thing?

I’ve got some fairly deep concaves on my Bonzer. Lokbox works great. Love that system.

On the other hand, I have a nice 6-channel semi-gun that wants it’s FCS plugs removed and Red-X installed. Red-X is better for multi-channel bottoms than Lokbox.

From my limited experience, here’s my 2 cents.

I haven’t used lokbox (really, only for poly boards??) or speed fins, so no opinion.

FCS, I tend to rip out the plugs, insted of breaking the tabs. I avoid using this system.

Red-X, I like the concept, but hate the top. All of my boards have delamed on the side fins from compression (I even tried using a tail pad, which I hate, with the same results.

Future fins, easy to install, strong, no problems. Wide variety of foils. How deep of a concave are you using??

I’ve recently got into 4 way fin systems…they’re super easy to install and adjustable four ways…very strong installation too…