Firewire and Bert Burger Part Ways

Sunova sets the record straight …

ok seeing as mark price isnt going to do it then it looks like im gonna have to get dirty …

well its true and its happening …

im doing my own thing again …

without a doubt , i learnt many lessons in the last 2 years …

some the hard way at my expense , and some the easy way at someone elses expense …

so i take the knocks and get on with it ,using the good lessons to move forward …

reality is its early days …

just like the truman show , this baby was born online and it all came out of the sway cradle …

so i figure why not make it grow online ??

it was advice from swaylockers which made me take the gamble and have a go , move my whole show and family to the east coast to learn from the greats on the finer points of running a successful business in the surfboard industry …

well now Sunova is out of nappies , but the reality is , its the public , and the global market place that ultimatly decide what they want , so within reason , im open to critique on how Sunova can present itself in a way that keeps core credibility and gets run as a solid business while maintaining a focus on high customer satisfaction …

i have had some great advice over the years from many swaylockers and it would be a waste to not continue to take advice from a group of surf industry gurus , as many are , who have built years of experience and who all gather here in one place …

thanks again to sways , its time to keep rolling …

its ok mark you can stop clutching your heart now …

its all good …

regards

BERT

o hicksy , firewire do get RR shipped to oz , but they dont decant it and onsell , it all gets consumed in house …

www.sunovasurfboards.com

Bert. you know exactly the best thing to do… you have started already… write up your stuff on sways to get your promotional word out there, and do it all your self. make every board totally yourself for each customer after you surf with them etc. charge $2000 a board. surf when you want and do what you want…

Hey Berts back on the scene!!

hmmm so the students will have to engage the professor sometime in the near future . . . who’s thesis will be accepted? Only time will tell.

Hey Bert,

'Just my opinion but I think you should release a video of your riders using your boards. Both Longboards and shorties. Make it classy, forget the aggro music. I think if the public got to see the groms and the older guys ripping on your boards, it could be good exposure and cred.

Cheers,

Rio

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Well said Bill, god love us. H.

[=Blue]Thanks Harris, God has blessed!

Sorry I had to bow out on that subject. I am super busy at the moment, mostly on a huge landscaping project at my house. I spent the whole day today on the backhoe moving dirt around. I had 10 semi trucks of topsoil delivered today and there will be 10 more tomorrow.

I gotta get this project done so I can get back to making boards again!

Also this thread should stay about Bert and Firewire and where it is all headed. The other subject is interesting for sure but needs to be done in its own thread.

Thanks to the others, Otay, Kendall, Greg, etc who had great thoughts to share. Great stuff!

I agree with you Otay. It doesn’t matter how old China is. It matters if their culture and political systems have allowed their people to develop excess and it they were allowed to keep it and do what they willed with it. This kind of economic opportunity has always been a very rare occurance in history. But where and when it happens lifestyle improvements for all people improve exponentially. And at the same time power is divested from the few… and given to the many. It ain’t perfect, of course, but the best so far.

BB

- What are your goals? Hgh customer satisfaction you say…

How many? 1000 people per year, or 10.000 people per year?

- Customer satisfaction… What have you learned about customer satisfaction? What does it consist of? Apply your lessons learnt to the website.

Jefferson Lopes says it every post: ‘theory + experience = magic’

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Thanks to the others, Otay, Kendall, Greg, etc who had great thoughts to share. Great stuff!

I agree with you Otay. It doesn’t matter how old China is. It matters if their culture and political systems have allowed their people to develop excess and it they were allowed to keep it and do what they willed with it. This kind of economic opportunity has always been a very rare occurance in history. But where and when it happens lifestyle improvements for all people improve exponentially. And at the same time power is divested from the few… and given to the many. It ain’t perfect, of course, but the best so far.

Got to add since you brought it back…and for the last time. If America is the standard and the top 3% or so control 90% or more of the wealth at this point. How long do you think it will take communist china to reach the place where some start giving back?

I would say America is one of the most unusual and blessed countries in the world. It’s a very unique culture that has never existed before and likely never will again. So…I still think it will be up to us Americans and the rest of the western world to take the lead when it comes to helping your fellow human beings instead of using them for our personal gain.

The only case where I have seen the theory of power divested from the few and handed to the many is in the theory of communism…which we know does not work. American’s good qualities is because for awhile…we protected the rights of the individual against the whims of the majority (at least at times)

I suspect China has more potential than many countries to embrace Capitalism, but they are going to have to get rid of their bad habits and not embrace the bad qualities of capitalism that we already had to deal with awhile ago and even today.

I would like to see manufacturing in America and places like Australia or other countries begin to make a comeback. I like that type of world trade. The type where we buy innovation created in another country instead of simply using that country for cheap labor. I like the guy that brought Smith and hawken into the states… He had a great plan.

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well now Sunova is out of nappies , but the reality is , its the public , and the global market place that ultimatly decide what they want , so within reason , im open to critique on how Sunova can present itself in a way that keeps core credibility and gets run as a solid business while maintaining a focus on high customer satisfaction …

i have had some great advice over the years from many swaylockers and it would be a waste to not continue to take advice from a group of surf industry gurus , as many are , who have built years of experience and who all gather here in one place …

thanks again to sways , its time to keep rolling …

its ok mark you can stop clutching your heart now …

its all good …

regards

BERT

o hicksy , firewire do get RR shipped to oz , but they dont decant it and onsell , it all gets consumed in house …

www.sunovasurfboards.com

Best of luck Bert. If you go with your gut and what you have learned so far, your next venture will likely be better. Consider it the price of education. In a sense, your credability has been increased and your marketability improved as a result of the big corpo wanting your knowledge. Use that to your advantage. They can’t get pisse about your resume they helped create. Don’t be suprised if the light went off in someone else’s head and is thinking of a way to help you suceed better and with more control than what you had. The sun don’t shine on any dog’s ass in the Surf business for very long.

Hi Bert,

You should try to get a board into the hands of guys at strategic locations across the globe who’d be willing to let others have a go on it.

I’m not sure who they are, but think of it as having a bunch of evangelists spreading the word. We tried doing this for Greg Griffin, letting anyone interested try our 5 fin fish boards. Those that did came away with a new perspective of what the board can do. I’m sure yours will get the same reaction.

Aloha, Harry

Bert,

You seem like the kind of innovator who is going to think this is a dirty word, but I think the next step is some marketing power behind your brand…

I think you need to set some goals for yourself, realize what it is exactly that you want to do.

I would recommend writing a business plan, even if it is for yourself. It will help consolidate all your thoughts into a well thought-out plan of action…

Turbo , the last 3 weeks there has been an exhustive plan being built , with input from a number of people with relavent expertise …

the plan has been built on a number of levels or start up scenarios , best and worst case , break even points , key staff needs , the list goes on , the plan has 2 aspects …

1 to act as the map or outline of the relevant steps that need to be taken and when …

2 to act as a tool to seek investment , but only a modest sum , which will really be more about acting as a security against unforseen issues , as my house will basically provide the needed capital for a relaunch , the plan is direct and focussed , so i have every confidence that putting everything on the line will pay off …

i dont want to be back in that posistion where it gets taken over by other decision makers , who have goals which are different to my own , hence the desire for a token investment sum ,so it stays under control and needed decisive actions can happen quickly …

yes you are right , marketing has been a key area and of coarse it is part of any well run business , even tho the plan doesnt involve the use of marketing in any major way until there is a production , orders are cleared and we are in a posistion to properly assess what there is to sell and how much we actually need to sell , the demand already has started to happen as the word has spread that i am back in business …

there is a clear plan and a goal …

as it rolls forward it will be clearer to all observers …

in a nutshel , i want to deliver before i start talking about delivering …

right now appart from the plan and a basic web presence , everything is going into cranking a production and of coarse a cash flow …

regards

BERT

www.sunovasurfboards.com

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o hicksy , firewire do get RR shipped to oz , but they dont decant it and onsell , it all gets consumed in house …

It’s good to know where the priorities are, guess I’ll have to stick with my Araldite goop…

Bert, If you need any help just yell, I work in Graphic Design, Web Admin and Marketing…in Perth…

Aloha Wouter

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BB

- What are your goals? Hgh customer satisfaction you say…

How many? 1000 people per year, or 10.000 people per year?

My retail store services hundreds of people a day. Some just window shop, some buy, some shoplift. I don’t have a way of counting how many we serve in some way or another per year. 100 per day would be 36,400 per year. (we are closed on Christmas)

I am not sure I have a numerical goal, measured by the amount of customers. Were it possible, to develop and launch from Hawaii a successful chain of stores around the world, it would be a great pleasure to see it happen. On the other hand, I am fairly content with a single location.

Regardless of the volume of customers, the measure of success in any business should always be the amount of happy customers.

If you were asking specifically about, “surfboard customers”, I think the same thing applies. Currently, I make surfboards in a semi retired mode and do complete boards from shape to polish all by myself just like I did in the early 70s. Consequently, my volume is comfortably modest at the moment.

Of course, any of this could change and I might even get the bug to dive back into the morass someday. There is certainly a seduction to it, that can be hard to resist But having been there, I can tell you, it isn’t near as attractive as some might think. Though it is certainly a hell of a ride!

- Customer satisfaction… What have you learned about customer satisfaction? What does it consist of? Apply your lessons learnt to the website.

Here are a couple of things learned over the years…

The diversity of needs that customers have is well…huge and they are not always rational or even comprehensible! Therefore, to make them all happy all the time, is incredibly difficult if not impossible. Mostly, customers needs are highly personal and rarely completely physical. Yet what we appear to sell as a store, is physical stuff to meet their physical needs. When in reality, what we really sell is cool physical stuff for the purpose of effecting our customers emotional and psychological needs. Not having a good understanding of this makes it very hard to please customers. Tech based thinkers often have a hard time grasping this. So guys like bike mechanics and surfboard builders often try too hard to fix what they perceive to be the customers technical problem and miss the often more important emotional issues.

Businesses can rarely serve enough customers to be effectively profitable, with only the owners of the business handling it all. Therefore, one eventually needs to hire employees to help meet the needs of customers and run the various aspects of the business. There is great difficulty in this for a couple of primary reasons. One is that the (often young) employees rarely have the ability or inclination yet to embrace the visions and learn the skills possessed by the owners. Secondly, they are rarely interested in the real needs (problems) of the customers. Without a real empathetic concern for resolving the problems each customer has, it is very difficult to make customers happy.

While employers have to do it all the time, it is very hard to take what was a young customer on one side of the sales counter one day and lift him or her over the same counter and place him behind it the next day as a salesperson in the service of the customer. This rapid role reversal of, who is being served, presents many challenges for managers trying to deliver a consistent and exceptional levels of customer service. To “satisfy” customers, employees need to be able to absorb and embrace a customers problems and in a kind of transference, take them on themselves insuring that the weight of the problem has been fully lifted off the customer and taken on by the employee.

We all recognize when this happens for us as customers and when it doesn’t. But in spite of that knowledge, for some weird reason, it is way too rare of an experience and we often find ourselves struggling to get a proper resolution to our needs. My business is not perfect but I try very hard to deliver a proper, satisfying, customer experience and stay profitably at the same time.

I mentioned ding repair in a previous post. This is a good example of where many customers need a more satisfying experience. I would like to deliver it. But without the proper staff it won’t be possible. And the business model I use of an upfront legal operation, would make it very difficult to compete with those using a less expensive business model. Because of this, it would be hard to be profitable and also pay high wages for the position without raising the retail price of the ding repairs beyond what the market might bare. It might be possible to be more expensive, but customer would have to have an exceptional experience and to deliver that I would have to find an exceptional employee! But say we were 30% more expensive… Would we be able to deliver 50% better customer satisfaction to offset the higher price? You can see then the burden of responsibility that would fall on the hired ding repair person to consistenly deliver a top quality job every time that was noticeably well beyond the competitions ability to replicate.

So… as much as I hate to turn away customers looking for ding repairs and thereby disappoint them. (low customer satisfaction) It would be a greater disservice to them to imply a higher level of service via higher prices and then not deliver it.

I would be happy to continue on this subject if others desire, but it probably should be copied to a new thread so as to keep the content of this existing thread focused on Bert and Firewire.

Jefferson Lopes says it every post: ‘theory + experience = magic’

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Aloha Wouter

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BB

- What are your goals? Hgh customer satisfaction you say…

How many? 1000 people per year, or 10.000 people per year?

My retail store services hundreds of people a day. Some just window shop, some buy, some shoplift. I don’t have a way of counting how many we serve in some way or another per year. 100 per day would be 36,400 per year. (we are closed on Christmas)

I am not sure I have a numerical goal, measured by the amount of customers. Were it possible, to develop and launch from Hawaii a successful chain of stores around the world, it would be a great pleasure to see it happen. On the other hand, I am fairly content with a single location.

Regardless of the volume of customers, the measure of success in any business should always be the amount of happy customers.

If you were asking specifically about, “surfboard customers”, I think the same thing applies. Currently, I make surfboards in a semi retired mode and do complete boards from shape to polish all by myself just like I did in the early 70s. Consequently, my volume is comfortably modest at the moment.

Of course, any of this could change and I might even get the bug to dive back into the morass someday. There is certainly a seduction to it, that can be hard to resist But having been there, I can tell you, it isn’t near as attractive as some might think. Though it is certainly a hell of a ride!

- Customer satisfaction… What have you learned about customer satisfaction? What does it consist of? Apply your lessons learnt to the website.

Here are a couple of things learned over the years…

The diversity of needs that customers have is well…huge and they are not always rational or even comprehensible! Therefore, to make them all happy all the time, is incredibly difficult if not impossible. Mostly, customers needs are highly personal and rarely completely physical. Yet what we appear to sell as a store, is physical stuff to meet their physical needs. When in reality, what we really sell is cool physical stuff for the purpose of effecting our customers emotional and psychological needs. Not having a good understanding of this makes it very hard to please customers. Tech based thinkers often have a hard time grasping this. So guys like bike mechanics and surfboard builders often try too hard to fix what they perceive to be the customers technical problem and miss the often more important emotional issues.

Businesses can rarely serve enough customers to be effectively profitable, with only the owners of the business handling it all. Therefore, one eventually needs to hire employees to help meet the needs of customers and run the various aspects of the business. There is great difficulty in this for a couple of primary reasons. One is that the (often young) employees rarely have the ability or inclination yet to embrace the visions and learn the skills possessed by the owners. Secondly, they are rarely interested in the real needs (problems) of the customers. Without a real empathetic concern for resolving the problems each customer has, it is very difficult to make customers happy.

While employers have to do it all the time, it is very hard to take what was a young customer on one side of the sales counter one day and lift him or her over the same counter and place him behind it the next day as a salesperson in the service of the customer. This rapid role reversal of, who is being served, presents many challenges for managers trying to deliver a consistent and exceptional levels of customer service. To “satisfy” customers, employees need to be able to absorb and embrace a customers problems and in a kind of transference, take them on themselves insuring that the weight of the problem has been fully lifted off the customer and taken on by the employee.

We all recognize when this happens for us as customers and when it doesn’t. But in spite of that knowledge, for some weird reason, it is way too rare of an experience and we often find ourselves struggling to get a proper resolution to our needs. My business is not perfect but I try very hard to deliver a proper, satisfying, customer experience and stay profitably at the same time.

I mentioned ding repair in a previous post. This is a good example of where many customers need a more satisfying experience. I would like to deliver it. But without the proper staff it won’t be possible. And the business model I use of an upfront legal operation, would make it very difficult to compete with those using a less expensive business model. Because of this, it would be hard to be profitable and also pay high wages for the position without raising the retail price of the ding repairs beyond what the market might bare. It might be possible to be more expensive, but customer would have to have an exceptional experience and to deliver that I would have to find an exceptional employee! But say we were 30% more expensive… Would we be able to deliver 50% better customer satisfaction to offset the higher price? You can see then the burden of responsibility that would fall on the hired ding repair person to consistenly deliver a top quality job every time that was noticeably well beyond the competitions ability to replicate.

So… as much as I hate to turn away customers looking for ding repairs and thereby disappoint them. (low customer satisfaction) It would be a greater disservice to them to imply a higher level of service via higher prices and then not deliver it.

I would be happy to continue on this subject if others desire, but it probably should be copied to a new thread so as to keep the content of this existing thread focused on Bert and Firewire.

Jefferson Lopes says it every post: ‘theory + experience = magic’

This would make a nice additon to the thread doc and I did on “So you want to open a surf shop …or not.”

Mostly, customers needs are highly personal and rarely completely physical. Yet what we appear to sell as a store, is physical stuff to meet their physical needs. When in reality, what we really sell is cool physical stuff for the purpose of effecting our customers emotional and psychological needs. Not having a good understanding of this makes it very hard to please customers. Tech based thinkers often have a hard time grasping this. So guys like bike mechanics and surfboard builders often try too hard to fix what they perceive to be the customers technical problem and miss the often more important emotional issues.

Bill,

Truer words have never been written on this site. Every consumer product must be able to pull on the emotional heart strings and this is the most important aspect in the business of board building. As much as builder’s think that performace and durability are the most important aspects, generally they are not. The real goal as builders is to put in the parts we think are important while satisfying the consumers emotional needs.

Polyester boards set the bar high for those needs, mostly cosmetic. The bar they set is very low in terms of durability yet to most consumers, durability isn’t what they’re buying. They buy the eye candy they see in the rack because it pulls on them emotionally. 90% (and I’m being generous here) don’t surf often enough or well enough to ever test the limits of that performance or durability anyway. The reason epoxy boards have been a niche item for all these years is that the advanages of our product doesn’t show in the rack. It shows in the water. The reason our numbers are growing is because we are able to be comparable in the rack.

Any consumer product must pull on the emotional heartstrings first. This is the key to marketing success.

Thanks again Bill

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Mostly, customers needs are highly personal and rarely completely physical. Yet what we appear to sell as a store, is physical stuff to meet their physical needs. When in reality, what we really sell is cool physical stuff for the purpose of effecting our customers emotional and psychological needs. Not having a good understanding of this makes it very hard to please customers. Tech based thinkers often have a hard time grasping this. So guys like bike mechanics and surfboard builders often try too hard to fix what they perceive to be the customers technical problem and miss the often more important emotional issues.

Bill,

Truer words have never been written on this site. Every consumer product must be able to pull on the emotional heart strings and this is the most important aspect in the business of board building. As much as builder’s think that performace and durability are the most important aspects, generally they are not. The real goal as builders is to put in the parts we think are important while satisfying the consumers emotional needs.

Polyester boards set the bar high for those needs, mostly cosmetic. The bar they set is very low in terms of durability yet to most consumers, durability isn’t what they’re buying. They buy the eye candy they see in the rack because it pulls on them emotionally. 90% (and I’m being generous here) don’t surf often enough or well enough to ever test the limits of that performance or durability anyway. The reason epoxy boards have been a niche item for all these years is that the advanages of our product doesn’t show in the rack. It shows in the water. The reason our numbers are growing is because we are able to be comparable in the rack.

Any consumer product must pull on the emotional heartstrings first. This is the key to marketing success.

Thanks again Bill

Agreed. I would only add that as long as your speaking the truth market anyway that helps pull on those heart strings. I think that line gets crossed and then becomes hype. Greg…also there are some that can tell the difference in epoxy and poly and still don’t like the feel. The surfing world as you know is varied both in opinion and personal flavor.

Agreed. Lightweight isn’t seen as an advantage by everyone.

Had some trouble there with that post. It didn’t post so I had to rewrite and then it posted both??? WTF?

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Agreed. Lightweight isn’t seen as an advantage by everyone.

Had some trouble there with that post. It didn’t post so I had to rewrite and then it posted both??? WTF?

I like it all. I have some epoxy I love and some I have not liked so well. Same with poly. Yeah…the posting thing acts up sometimes.

So much is still in the shape. How many times have I seen someone with a bad shape blame the materials. Or vice versa. It’s all important and even little things that people totally miss can make the difference between bad and magic. One of the best boards I ever had wouldn’t even turn the first time I rode it. Changed the edges with a piece of 220 grit and MAGIC!!! An almost inperceivable change made that much difference. Yea, it all counts.