FIREWIRE sets the record straight.

Hi Buddy great to here abot these fantactic boards and the technology, shaping, materials, fins the whole lot but what about checking this out, offering microshiped board registered to a global database for surfbaord owners recognsied by al the authorities state to stat country to country. If you need to now more then plese email me [email]Andrew@surfboard-tracker.com or [url]www.surfbaord-tracker.com

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Good luck with the Firewire buddy. If you need a agent here in the UK let me know.

Sitting back and reading this thread on Firewire reminded me of how McDonalds has become a major brand. It’s all hype – all of us know maccas is possibly the worst food going.

I’m not saying this is true of Firewire but I have some input that others may comment on.

The so called technology is 30 – 40 years old, it’s just been polished and dressed up as something new. It’s hard to believe the ‘backers’ of this business didn’t see this, is it true that Bert posted on this very forum all the details complete with the photos some 18 months prior to the Firewire Venture – so much for protecting the I.P.

It’s the validation of the product that really goes to the credibility of Firewire. The ASP crew are told you better get on this otherwise you will be left behind. I’m told Kelly Slater was given a number of boards at Bells this year – after surfing one he left all the boards at Bells – is this true?? I’ve also heard Mick Fanning was losing sleep about upsetting his long term friend and shaper Darren Handley by using this ‘new product’. To Darren’s immense credit he encouraged Mick to try the product – Mick rode it and didn’t like it – and won’t use it. If this is an example of the ‘Pros’ rushing to get on it, good luck. Let’s have all the story.

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Sitting back and reading this thread on Firewire reminded me of how McDonalds has become a major brand. It’s all hype – all of us know maccas is possibly the worst food going.

I’m not saying this is true of Firewire but I have some input that others may comment on.

The so called technology is 30 – 40 years old, it’s just been polished and dressed up as something new. It’s hard to believe the ‘backers’ of this business didn’t see this, is it true that Bert posted on this very forum all the details complete with the photos some 18 months prior to the Firewire Venture – so much for protecting the I.P.

It’s the validation of the product that really goes to the credibility of Firewire. The ASP crew are told you better get on this otherwise you will be left behind. I’m told Kelly Slater was given a number of boards at Bells this year – after surfing one he left all the boards at Bells – is this true?? I’ve also heard Mick Fanning was losing sleep about upsetting his long term friend and shaper Darren Handley by using this ‘new product’. To Darren’s immense credit he encouraged Mick to try the product – Mick rode it and didn’t like it – and won’t use it. If this is an example of the ‘Pros’ rushing to get on it, good luck. Let’s have all the story.

40 year old technology meaning epoxy and fiberglass / different foam composites? Vacuum baggin? Engineering flex? its as old as pu/pe, which is 50-60 years young?

can you post the Kelly slater leaving behind boards article? Also the Mick Fanning article? If not at least the origin (like Mick’s girlfriend or something . . .)

But you know I still haven’t gotten a straight answer, even from Bert (He said ask big brother, but the US govt doesn’t know jack, and they said they have naval tech way better and would make the perfect surfboard but I could find out and they would have to kill me situation or I’d be indebted to them until the next new tech came out and what they told me was outdated). Just kidding . …

But I haven’t gotten an answer on the difference between the balsa skinned boards at huntington us open vs firewire boards at Smurfermag’s fish fry in honor of SKip Fry.

Everyone thought the thruster was hype and to some degree it was in that other boards are just as valid. The main difference between the thruster and all the rest of this crap is Simon took it out and ripped through two major contest on it to victory. Other pros followed suit and prior to the tour forcing surfers to ride the same equip. Most pros jumped from what they were riding to the thruster. It has not and will not happen with Surftech,

Boardworks, Global Surf industries, Firewire or Salamon etc. Why…cause they are about new tech in making money off the sport, not about adding something to the performance of the sport. Frankly, how much further can you go with performance than the stuff being done on good old fashioned poly and hand shaped epoxy right now. The only thing that can happen is they will create a board that last longer and rides the way surfers like it.

We are in the let’s see who can get rich the quickest from making surfboards mentality. French probably has the market cornered on that one already until he finally gets some competition or surfers tire of the hype and get on to some other fad.

I see the Rhino foam out of Brazil and the finished product which is just old fashioned poly tech and It’s as fine a product that has been put out in surfing for what it is. At this point in the tech wars…not much new under the sun. Not yet anyway.

nice logic , rode a board once , didnt like it , therefore all boards by all other shapers must be just as bad …

same shit , same industry , different location …

only the names and places have been changed to protect the guilty…

30 to 40 years old ??

the irony is , someone repeated that same comment to me last week and where they heard it …

either way you guys have nothing to worry about …

just relax …

if the pros dont like them , then everything just continues as it is , and if they do like them , then you can thank me for an 18 month old thread which at least gives you a place to start …

the validation of any product is how it is percieved by the buying public and if they come back for more …

if demand outstrips supply then thats good …

if you have a warehouse of stuff you cant move , better make sure you got (keep) enough pros to keep generating the hype …

i have to laugh , 30 to 40 years old , some of the materials in these boards has only been available for less than 5 years …

i think you would find it very difficult to find a 6 year old board built this way let alone 40 , the only stuff you will find like this of any age was stuff i myself was building years ago , but not with the same techniques or materials , theres all your I.P. free online , the stuff i was doing years ago…

i wouldnt be pointing the finger to quick anyway , lets say the tech is as old as you claim , then the tech you guys use is like was mentioned 50 or 60 , 60 year old tech and the cores are shrinking ???

you think you would have it worked out by now??

you guys stick to doing your thing and we will stick to doing ours …

while im here i would actually like to apologise for all the negative p/u p/e comments ive made in the past , i cant take them back and many comments will probably come back to haunt me , but hey thats life , im sure weve all made some mistakes before … but to put things in context , it was basically a stone thrown that was thrown back …

im pleased that it has become possible to get these boards into the hands of a wider audience…

no one really needs to throw anymore stones , im sure we all have plenty to keep us busy …

also if anyone has any questions about product , boards , the label , then Mark is the guy to ask , i am simply an employee of firewire and contract my services to the business , decisions on design , construction and direction of the company are made by the directors of the company and may not have any similarity to views or theories held by myself …

regards

BERT

Good post Bert…I hope if it takes off you get your just rewards.

My only point on any new tech is this…It may be the best thing ever created, it may be hype, or it may be the best thing ever created that the public simply does not buy. Right now as with all new stuff…it’s just talk and promises. Your right…same industry…different location. I personally think we are approaching the limit of what people will pay for surfboards.

Best of luck

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There has been considerable comment lately about the evolving epoxy market. Some of the discussions have centered around the state of surfboard technology, where the market is going and from time to time, fairly specific commentary about Firewire surfboards. In some cases these comments have come from people associated with our Brand.

For the record, we believe our boards are great and all claims as to performance and durability are legit. We are proud of the creative team we have assembled and as you know when the talk turns to surfboards, a tremendous amount of passion is involved. That being said, while everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, sometimes in the absence of any official word, those opinions could be misconstrued as the Company’s position as well.

For the record, we believe the surfboard market is a multi faceted organism and nobody truly knows where it’s headed. If looking at other product categories is any indication, the market will thrive on the creativity driven by the core participants. There is plenty of room to accommodate a variety of approaches to surfboard design AND construction.

Over time, we believe that FIREWIRE will prove itself every bit as worthy of our place in the line up as today’s premium surfboard brands. We do have a lot to prove but we are up to the task.

Sincerely,

Mark Price

FIREWIRE USA. just a Question for Mark Price. why don’t you contact SurfSyndicate and talk ?mybe work with them??? for the new board market 1. We are getting a stable of shapers and Quiver of board shapes together now.

2. The cost benefits are an interesting Question . To answer it, let me give you a hypothetical. Say you buy 3-4 custom state of the art boards and break 3-4 of them in a year. As some surfer’s do! With heavy use in good surf conditions, at say $ 500.00 + that will cost you, the surfer $ 2000.00 + per year to surf and then still need a board to surf at the end of the year. Ok that’s the worst case. But when you look at what the Custom TTailed surfboards will be made of, as a molded construction hi-tech with stronger lighter materials and will surf infinitely longer and better and stay tuned for its full life span and still have a resale value. Like a Volvo in a year of use, that’s ready for you to sell or trade in on a new model. At under $ 1,000.00 price tag of your hi-tech molded custom TTail and you will still have a surfboard to surf or sell. By simply purchasing a custom TTail . If you do the math we just saved you! the surfer. $1000.00 bucks + its trade in value and you have had a years worth of surfing on the hottest ride possible. A real Custom tunable state of the arte surfboard ,shaped by the best shapers in the world ,identical to the shape they deem their MAGIC BOARD and put their name and experience with their R&D that went into it, on the line for you in perfect copies of their original designed Quiver recommendation.

So Thanks for the opportunity and great question for you. As you can see the Custom TTG4 turns out to be the most cost effective Custom surfboard perches on the market.

  1. We are talking to manufactures as we speak and you will have the opportunity to buy one in the near future. All good things take time and the time will be worth it. Take Care and stay Tuned to the key of G… power, it’s coming. Skip and the INTHENO shapers are stoked on the new TTG4 design in there own shapes for their molded hi-tech customers www.SurfSyndicate.com

Understanding Mother Natures. laws of motion, fluid dynamics and physics, 101.

By Bob Tinkler

" For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"

As applied to the TinkleTail’s fluid hydrodynamics, verses Conventional; mono stiff? Or mono flexes? Surfboard Principles.

The TinklerTail: Principle.

While making a carving bottom turn, the rear rail flexes up increasing tail rocker to reduce lateral resistance and water separation in the arc, while storing energy in the now compressing springs in the Tail. Then drives the tail rocker with added power attained from the springs returning to their natural state. Forcing the tails planning surface back to its , straight speed position . This recoiling pressure is redirecting energy forward ejecting you out of the turns with added thrust. This energy storage system is applied independently to the right and left sides of the tails powered twist i.e.

Diagonal, " torque” while providing independent force on the bottoms variable tail rocker panel surface, through turns in response to body English i.e…” weight shift”, by the surfer. It would be similar to pumping a skateboard on flat ground and gaining that forward driving momentum. With the back wheels and trucks that stay constant and flush to the surface, for power transfer and control. While the boards rail to rail maneuvers are made.

The Conventional Mono tune: Principle.

Unlike the conventional mono tune surfboards, hydrodynamics, when put into a tight, turn on the concave face of a wave, the ordinary mono tune designed boards has to dig into the water in competition with the fins, hydrodynamicley producing increased tail stall. This causes water separation off the tails planning surface resulting in eddy-making drag that dissipates any accumulation of momentum or thrust, for maximum projection out of the turns.

Times Have Changed!

Surfboard design has been somewhat dormant since the era of radical tri-fin, thinner board advancements. There has been a refinement stage, a period where shapers and designers have polished their talents and hull shapes rather than developing breakthrough design innovations. The molded surfboards are now coming on the market, as the new breakthrough. However, they are still all faced with the same design problems of the past. With two additional ones, some pundits say molded boards are To stiff! & To light?

Ask your self What would it take to get both shapers /designers and board industry to understand and embrace on behalf of the surfers, this new and exciting concept that would bring with it a new era of creative board designing for shapers? In addition, open up to a new approach in the molded surfboard markets with this unique and individually custom. Tinklerized Technology……… The next generation, board Design.

A revolutionary breakthrough. In G power Surfing.”

As a shaper and designer, spanning decades of investigation in this field. my main objective is to broaden the capabilities. For advanced construction materials, that are strong, lighter, for the production of customizable all-around, wave specific, tunable surfboards. Offered in state of the art hull designers in a molded board. That can be offered in all brands and shapes reproduced in all the designers and shapers models.

Most surfers only purchase one pocket rocket or hotdog surfboard at a time hoping it will ride a vast array of wave conditions. My answer is the dynamic TTail’s custom flextail system.

In my Many years of extensive research and development, in this area of design and field of expertise in flex dynamics with patents and PPA international patents pending. my invention ,could be called an (instant shaping machine). That the surfer, along with the wave, can shapes and fine-tune for a wide range of wave size and conditions.

The Surfers become instant shapers by (Just adding water!)

The advantage of a TinklerTail over a custom or non-custom, stiff or flex model, mono tune surfboards is the ability of the surfer/ owner to temporarily adjust the tensions through the interchangeable spring system, the shape of the tail rockers pitch angle by each surfer, while still in the water. The surfer can read the waves, make the adjustments, and catch the wave without having to return to the beach, the store or Shaper or glassing room. This is being the most revolutionary and convenient customization of a surfboards performance ever.

The TINKLERTAIL design is described as such; “Recessed in the rear deck. I call the saddle of each surfboard are three tuning controls. The center one controls the longitudinal rocker line. While the outer two rail regulators set right and left hand rail curves with varying degrees of spiral twist that work together with the fins as one action allowing the fins to maintain a higher degree of holding power. Within these regulators are interchangeable coil springs that aid in the power and efficiency of the tail rocker to replace from it’s max! Of two inches (2") of tail rocker that is (designed in to it) , with punch, back to it’s( .0" rocker ), and ideal speed trim position for the tails bottom planning surface, when releasing the energy that is being stored in the tail, in rail to rail turns.” This is all happening smoother and faster than you could imagine. The TinklerTail becomes and feels like an extension of the body… i.e.( Supernatural )

The rail and rocker controls can be set with different spring tensions from 50 foot lbs of (torque) up to 175 foot lbs of torque to control and produced, regulated (thrust). To accommodate the different wave conditions and/or individual contestants surfing style.

In competitions Heavier, more powerful surfers would naturally be able to apply more pressure in a turn, so choosing the springs with heavier tension can be used, giving those surfers greater thrust out of their turns.

The symmetrical aspect of this design is very unique in that it has asymmetrical characteristics. One rail can be tuned with a different spring tension or a straighter rail line in the tail on one side for your longer projecting bottom turn. At the same time, you can preset the pitch, (angle of attack) on the other rail for tighter cutbacks.

These are both tuned with fingertip-controlled stoppers inside the springs that control the tail’s power twist and tail rocker curve.

The revolutionary function of this design enables the surfer to take this aspect of shaping, which could previously be done only in the shaping room. The surfer now have this unique ability to take the fine-tuning of tail rocker, rail curves and spring loaded spiral, power twist of the tail and dial in for the specific conditions that the surfer is riding. This is an incredible achievement. Never before has there been such a convenient way of modifying a boards planning surface in the water, just prior to catching the next wave.

Previous methods of adjusting the tail’s planning surface was done in the shaping room with a variety of tools such as power planers, sureform, sanding blocks, hand planes, and the shaper’s craftsmanship and glassing skills to go with them. You can see for yourself that these limitations for adjusting speed and turning personality in a mono tune, custom or non-custom surfboard, is very limited.

A conventional mono tuned surfboard whether it’s called custom, hand shaped or has come out of a mold would all have several debilitating design flaws:

1. You can only have one tune in the tall rocker one for speed or one for maneuverability, per board.

2. The location of the molds or shaping room and the shapers that controls the conventional surfboards tail rocker tune, is remote to the different breaks and ever changing wave conditions the local surfers will ride

3. The inconvenience for the traveling surfers that are out looking for that one perfect wave to suite that one unique and individual mono tuned board the shaper had tuned that particular tail rocker for.

The point is this; with conventional surfboards, the surfer has to make all the adjustments to his or her surfing that boards particular tune, therefore, compromising potential skill and ability. With the TinklerTail’s personally custom controlled tail design, That the surfer can simply adjust the boards to suit him or herself, for the best ride and surf condition they find them self in, for that surf break, day or session. Leaving surfers more freedom to advance and perfect their individual style.

In the custom hand shaped or molded versions, whatever curve that is shaped in the surfboards tail, be it for maneuverability or for speed, or the real killer that of a designers compromise between the two functions, To me as a Shaper/designer looking for perfection, is too great a sacrifice. But with my new TinklerTail molded boards, we can offer the best of both worlds. You will have. S&M with out compromises.

For that ultimate freedom in“ maneuverability plus! The faster, straighter, ideal tail shape for needed built-in speed. Bridging this, speed? OR maneuverability? Design conundrum. And after my many years of R&D in this field .I have found there is only one solution." Just produce a custom fleXtail that all the surfers can Tinker-with and dial the tail rocker in to what “they feel and soot their needs. ” with out compromises!

Tinklertail has essentially moved the shaping room into the ocean, the medium in which we play. This is an important and very significant evolutionary step, for the sport itself. It broadens the surfer’s personal choice to control how he or she will ride and tune the board’s power and performance for each surf session. Where better to customize you board than on the beach with the interchangeable compression springs, and in the water with the fingertip rocker control, where you can judge for your self and tune your board for the wave conditions instantaneously.

Having an adjustable technology for your fins that move in unison on the same plan as the tail, dramatically increases the efficiency of your board’s ability to hold and carve a turn by increasing the boards holding power in turns, also the ability to hold a straight line for speed, that is needed back in the tube.

As a designer and world traveled gypsy shaper with several decades of board designs, shapes and ideas with the necessary expenses of R&D to achieve the World’s first and only ultimate, tunable go-anywhere, anytime surfboard design. Now through the advent of the new molded TinklerTail, surfers will now have a choice in a revolutionary new surfboard concept, which has convenient fin and rail angle of attack controls, with these custom adjustments that are simple and easy to use. That will be an advantage to the surfers. And compliments any shapers hull designs, which they will continue to create.

TinklerTail’s , offers surfers everything, without taking anything away from the artistry and talent of the shaper designer in their general board designs. It basically makes a great thing…better. The customer is always right and personal choice can make anyone a better surfer in a broader range of wave condition. The end result of the TinklerTail is a forever-customizable surfboard built in the strongest molded epoxy construction methods. This makes its resale value in the second hand surfboard market a unique and more profitable. There is only one original custom controlled flex technology in surfboards. The custom TinklerTail …specializing in. flex tail designs since 1970

“ Smart is as Smart dose”! for the love of surfing.

TinklerTail. The ultimate Custom G-Machine .Buy it! Ride it! Love it! USA Patents. .5425321 . PPA. International Pat. Pen. By Bob Tinkler: Shaper, Designer, Inventor, craftsman and Molding consultant.