#1 - water and air (or space are 2 different things), right? Never mind,don’t answer that, if you believe in the design good for you. Seriously. #2 - yes, Virginia, unions do milk govt. contracts dry, so do SOME corporations who in turn give capitalism a bad name. But, even with the flaws, capitalism is the only way for THIS country. #3 - time will tell if the war with Iraq was based on fabrications. I feel very confidant that the truth will win out (always does). All I know is my ass is safer, hope yours is too. We’re a F@#%&#ed up country, but I love it. We’re like a family, we fight amongst ourselves and heaven help anyone that f@%#s with any of us! And needless to say we were royally F@#%ed with on 9/11. I, and many others, are truly greatful for Australia’s and anyone else that has helped us. And I mean TRULY greatful! Terrorists can’t be reasoned with and they probably want to kill you you too. You’ll never understand until it happens to you, and I hope it never does. #4 - I grew up with the Space program and until just recently lived minutes from Cape Canaveral. I suggest that if you’re ever in the states to bypass Disney World and take the tour at the Cape. I think you’d be impressed. Peace preffered, but war if necessary, Bruce
T.E quote “The old “what if” sydrome, can he realy back it up everybody?” Why the hell don’t you listen to your own advice!!! We are sick of hearing about lifting bodies, fluid gliders and shock waves (which don’t occur at the speeds we are talking about, bow wave yes, shock wave NO), but you don’t elaborate on how these theories apply to the FP. So, I’m requesting that you write a detailed description including the theory, of how the FP works. You may NOT use anecdotal evidence (such as NASA info etc.) but you must use the FP specifically to explain why the design has any merit. By the way, most of those lifting body examples you used have a fluid that starts off having an equal density passing over both surfaces. I think I have to remind you that, generally speaking, surfboards have a high density fluid underneath (water) and low density fluid on top (air). Please include this consideration in your answer to my above request. Regards, Matt. P.S How soon is Christmas?? When will this question be answered properly??
YOu are hungry Matt!! slow moves with quiet effortlessness…one bit at a time…water and air are both classed as fluids…space is undergoing a reclassification from a gasless void to a plasma filled atmoshpere…in time it will stick…then who knows maybe theyll define it another way down the line? Two densities yes…FP wraps the fluid over a lifting body some of it just happens to stickout so you can stand on it… To explain the relative applications of each subcomponent is the easiest way to define the FP… WHAT IS AN INTERGRATED FLOW FORM “FLUID GLIDER” Answer- The Fat Penguin is comprised of subsections. (1) NOSE (2) TAIL (3) BOTTOM (4) DECK (5) WINGS (6) RAIL LINE (7) FINS DECK The deck draws on “Benoulies priciples” to create a narrow waist to encourage the fluid flow to hug the body form eg. Spitster boatail bullet, SR.71 Blackbird, Migs, f16. NOSE The nose is like a big wave speed board built to drive, great for late take offs. It has a low area high speed profile that smoothes out chop and has the ability to really attack a wave TAIL Slightly rounded 5"to 6" Square tail chosen for stability and to give a straighter and faster rear rail line with small enough surface area enabling high speed cutbacks. Works well high in a wave and suits vertical manoeuvers. BOTTOM The concave provides lift, you cannot compress a liquid so it accelerates, by the time it reaches the tip of the concave the fluid is moving faster than the fluid at the edge of the board. The concave tip shape is very important, it directs the accelerated fluid flow to the sudden tail lift. Sudden tail lift at the end of the concave running into the back of the board encourages the rear stern pressure waves to return early under the tail of the board, creating a high pressure zone under the tail recycling energy rather than throwing it away as spray. The end of the wings steps in from a larger area to a smaller surface area into the tail quickly - great for snap turns. Vee bottom for stability, cutbacks and tight hard turns. Work on stern pressure waves Prof Dubeur. WINGS The wings are called pectoral flyers, they add stability and lift when trimming or driving and their effect is very noticeable in white water. - to provide surface area and lift at low speed. - - to create a rear section Rail line of a modern short board 19.5" wide. - - change of rocker. In full rail bottom turns you use the full rocker for big arcs, the wings at speed are neutral stabilisers you wouldn`t know they were there. For short radius turns the change in rocker makes this easy - check out your surf photos of surfers doing cutbacks or tight top slashes, they are only using the back half of their boards. The wing chord profile is a copy of a mach 2.5 flow form. RAIL LINE The rail line is hard and low at the nose and progressively softens to the boards widest point, the back one third of the rail is hard and low. FINS There are two sets of fins on the FP. The front set are called VENTRAL FINS and are there to stop yawing at high speed and in a tight turn they act like a carnard wing helping steer the board round them. The rear fins are a set of twin fins about the size of a single fin with the base area cut away to make them loose at low speeds. The third thruster fin was made redundant by the pintail concave and tail relief. http://www.geocities.com/wunderboyi/ninetysixpercent.html
went surfin today just spent about an hour writing you a detailed letter describing the go out on my new 12’3’’ 4 7/8’’ thick tandem/ stand up paddle board…for surfing remote reefs in my neighborhood…the computer gods ate it I type too slow to have the stamina to redo it…but I learned a lot ,am going back to the shaping room with the ‘samoan modified scoop paddle’ and the 230# R.N from missouri had a great 1st surf and we spent all the surf lesson money on groceries… hope your sunday was illuminating and productive…ambrose , and all your friends at swaylocks…go surfin for all those who cant make it…
Has anybody looked into shockwaves, ie the spray that flys out the side of the board at roughly 80-90 degrees, in fact theres shockwaves comming of all the leading edges and surfaces in contemporary surfcraft… could this be equated to wasted energy? You have to get the Bow Pressure Wave to stick to the board not fly off at 80-90 degrees… Hey simple experiment, go to a table cloth place your hand palm down and gently move your hand forward on the table cloth but not to much force so it doesnt stick and grab to your hand…notice the bunching up before your finger tips? theres a similar thing happening at the point of contact between the water surface and surfboards primary leading contact surfaces(Bow Pressure Wave) The more of this BPW bunching up before the board the more resistance the board endures, the surfboard is pushing water rather than displacing it…all very subtle things sure but in a fluid sky are very apparrent. http://www.geocities.com/wunderboyi/ninetysixpercent.html
TE I pretty much skim your stuff, if that. But the word subtle caught my eye. The FP might be a great idea. I’d like to try it if i ever see one at my fairly remote home break. It’s probably not any worse than most of the lame ideas for surfboards I’ve seen in my 40 years of surfing. But subtle you are not! You’re whole medicine show hard sell has worn a bit thin if you haven’t noticed. Shut up or put up as they say. This is a surfboard design forum for people that are doing it. As near as I can tell you are not. So shut up! That said I like the web site you list on your way too many posts. Though I have many many, too many of my own crackpot ideas to try any of yours. I think we’ve all heard enough of you- so shut up already!!!
Mate the world is full of freaky ideas but you will never make them successfull piping down and listening to people like you… http://www.geocities.com/wunderboyi/ninetysixpercent.html