Gasp....Solo's positive Surf Tech post.

Over the last couple of years I have had my share to say about Surf Tech and the so called Surf Industry in general. In the spirit of fairness I would like to offer a different perspective.

To start with; most of the complaints I hear about Surf Tech (other than from those that simply don’t like the way they ride) are from shapers that either cannot be a part of it because they have not been asked or don’t want to be a part of it because of the perception that a pop out will somehow taint their perceived credibility as a Shaper. Others simply enjoy their craft of hand shaping surfboards and have no desire to be part of mass production with all of the pushing, pulling, and hype that usually goes along with marketing. Is there really a right way to make a surfboard? Is there really anything we surfers refer to as “soul” to making a surfboard by hand and does a surfboard mass produced lack it?

My brother who does not surf made what I thought was a great one liner when discussing Surfing and surfers in my old Surf shop. He said…”When cool is a factor you already have a problem.” As much as some of us hate to admit it… that does seem like the case sometimes. Where do you think we get the elitist mentality shown by many surfers, surf shop owners or board builders? I don’t think these are the majority and I have to say within our sport exist some of the most creative and down to earth people on the planet. I also think the social aspect of our sport is one of the overlooked things that makes surfing special. Yet the too cool for school factor is there and is pretty much what drives the industry side of the surf business.

Like most successful businesses Surf Tech is a company born out of creativity and vision by someone who saw a need in the market and has been clever in his marketing approach to become one of the most well placed Surfboard lines in the world. Love them or hate them, you cannot deny the success nor the fact that many that buy them like them and go back for seconds or thirds. They fulfill a niche in the market place that they continue to improve upon and like it or not …they may one day become the standard instead of the niche.

Sharp business people have a knack for predicting the future and preparing for it. Could Randy French be one of those? Look at the fear that existed for the first couple of weeks after Clark Foam closed it’s doors. If your at the mercy of one supplier or Technology then your asking for it when it hits you in the face. If you’re a shop owner and you put yourself at the mercy of any particular board builder or name brands…your asking for it when they can’t produce or go out of popularity. Surf Tech has to some degree solved this problem for the store owners and allowed many retailers to make better margins on the product .

Back to the “cool” factor; Is there really any such thing? Is the actual hand shaping of a surfboard any more “cool” or any better than simply putting one into a mold or being cut by a computer design? In reality how could it possibly be? In perception is certainly still lingers. If a surfboard floats you properly and allows you to enjoy riding waves …why should you care how it’s made? Other than personal preference and quality differences …why should you care who makes it? I personally enjoy dealing with my friends that make surfboards and I enjoy having the freedom to try different shapes from time to time instead of simply dealing with the designs in the racks, but many surfers could care less as long as they like the shape. Yes I believe outsourcing is gong to cost our country dearly in the future, but that’s the market and that’s reality. Right now Surf Tech does not make one bit of difference to popular board builders that choose not to deal with them. Most enjoy their work and have more than enough of it. The rest have to deal with things how they are…not how they wish them to be.

We probably have one of the best times in the industry from the surfboard end of it. There are way more foam alternatives, epoxy is becoming more popular, pop outs don’t have as much of a stigma as they used to and in fact are the preference of some, almost any design put out is accepted or at least considered, quality craftsmanship is probably more appreciated now than it’s been in years with the birth of the retro revival and we only have a few more years of Bush (just kidding).

The one bone of contention for many is the huge push by Asian products into what was for years the realm of the local shaper or major labels. This is not necessarily a bad thing …the bar has been raised for some and as one of our favorite epoxy gurus points out…create a better product or suffer the consequences. Imagine being a saddle maker when we switched over to automobiles? Funny thing is even some of them found a way to success in spite of the change.

Is Surf Tech looking out for the interest of the industry as a whole or the shapers …I seriously doubt it. Should that be a concern of anyone? Probably not. They are simply a company that decided on success over mediocrity and influence over passiveness. In other words…they are shooting for the stars so they can retire with lots of chips in their corner instead of trying to live some perceived lifestyle. Lifestyles that in some cases were not the plan only the result. Most people I know if given the easy choice of having a million given to them instead of fifty thousand…take the million. In business some figure out how to make the million by sacrifice while others never make it because they don’t want to do what it takes. There is room for them all. Don’t expect the owners of Surf Tech to act any differently than you would expect the owners of any other business to act if they want to be sucessful or to care about those not part of their business plan. They are trying to sell you a product and have done their homework on quality and marketing.

I suspect the most important thing is to be true to yourself , don’t believe anything you read in a publication that takes advertising dollars, ride what you enjoy riding and can afford to purchase, be wary of all institutions and don‘t allow someone‘s elitist attitude to influence your decisions. It all works and no one is any more important than the next guy.

As for me….I will always enjoy those paddle outs to the horizon regardless of the board I choose to get me there and I will always have a soft spot for those characters within our sport who didn’t cave in to the temptation to go big in a sport that was never intended to be big. To me it’s always been about being out there …not being in. I would hope that my mind remains open to new designs and new tech. once it’s proven.

Having said that…I still admire good business plans and Surf Tech certainly qualifies.

Foam board versus foam board is like Spy versus Spy in Mad magazine.

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As for me….I will always enjoy those paddle outs to the horizon regardless of the board I choose to get me there”

yes

[or a mat for me at the moment, even]

fun is what surfing is all about…

for me , anyway

cheers

ben

…we are incredibly BLESSED to even have waves to ride , and the health to ride them , on this planet …

I saw Randy French get out of the water on the east side of Santa Cruz about two years ago. He was riding a Surftech fish twin fin of some sort. He was alone. No one said hi to him. As he gathered his stuff together, he looked totally alone. Lots of people milling around, he was like a stranger in his home town.

Then I went up to SF. Bill Hickey was sitting in the VFW parking lot. He couldn’t sit still for 5 minutes before people would walk up to him, say hi, and chat him up for a little while. He has no money, nothing to offer but his soulful spirit, and artistry in making surfboards. Randy French has tens of thousands of boards sold a year, but not a friend at the beach. Bill has hundreds if not thousands of friends at the beach and not a cent to his name.

I consider Bill to be far richer than Randy French. His empathy and camraderie with his community is something to aspire to.

Solo,

In many aspects, I agree. Business is business. It’s hard enough in the business world to find anything but mediocrity (if that). When a business is successful, it’s nice to see.

Blakestah,

All of the people that chat Mr. Hickey up may be very nice and friendly, until it costs them something. Just my 2 cents from personal experience. Still, what you said does have a substantial impact. To be shunned is no fun. For anybody.

JSS

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I saw Randy French get out of the water on the east side of Santa Cruz about two years ago. He was riding a Surftech fish twin fin of some sort. He was alone. No one said hi to him. As he gathered his stuff together, he looked totally alone. Lots of people milling around, he was like a stranger in his home town.

Then I went up to SF. Bill Hickey was sitting in the VFW parking lot. He couldn’t sit still for 5 minutes before people would walk up to him, say hi, and chat him up for a little while. He has no money, nothing to offer but his soulful spirit, and artistry in making surfboards. Randy French has tens of thousands of boards sold a year, but not a friend at the beach. Bill has hundreds if not thousands of friends at the beach and not a cent to his name.

I consider Bill to be far richer than Randy French. His empathy and camraderie with his community is something to aspire to.

There are more than one type of sucess…no doubt. Generally when your focus is money and power…you must be so narrowly focused that you missed the ride to the top and when you get there …find it’s not all that it’s cracked up to be. BTW: I am not claiming Money is Randy French’s only focus. I don’t know and neither does anyone else but Randy himself. I also have no clue what why Randy would be quiet after a surf…I don’t think it matters. Still…I like the theme of cumminity over money as well as that of a loner…I can take either one.

Are wakeboards, waterskiis, skiis or snowboards hand shaped? No. No one cares. If you want to pony up to get that magic hand made board from a great shaper, then great! But wouldn’t you rather see people surfing surftechs, at least to get started, then to see no one surfing at all? Sure, it’d be great if when you went out you and your friends were the only ones on the water, but without those newbs that grow up into good surfers (Or at least keep with the sport), there wouldn’t be any boards to buy, as soon there would be no market. People who want a custom board can get it, those who are happy on a surftech, they can ride them. It’s about catching waves, nothing else. There will always be a market for custom shapers, but unless someone makes cheaper boards to get people started, there will be no one to buy those custom boards after a few years.

On another note, what real difference is there between a surftech and any other vacuum bagged compsand?

But wouldn’t you rather see people surfing surftechs, at least to get started, then to see no one surfing at all?

Personally, I love it when I have a break all to myself. If not one other person started surfing for the first time, I think a lot of us would be really stoked. I could care less about the industry of surf. Sorry, but I’m a selfish bastard when it comes to my solo sessions.

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On another note, what real difference is there between a surftech and any other vacuum bagged compsand?

Taking it to even another step…what difference is there between a handshape and a Surf Tech? They both ride waves and have different characteristics. That could be said of a twin vs a thruster or longboard vs a shortboard. The entire surf industry is build on perceptions and usually false perceptions. Think about it…there was a time when people that began surfing actually thought surfers listened only to surf music and all drove woodies.

Solo sessions are great true, but do you use a commercial fin system? without the new people buying boards and fins, there wouldn’t be FCS, Future, Lokbox, etc. Shoot, you were a newb once. What if the Campbell hadn’t have started Surfing? Steve Liz? Skip Frye? Simon Anderson? Without new people entering the sport, nothing progresses.

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But wouldn’t you rather see people surfing surftechs, at least to get started, then to see no one surfing at all?

Personally, I love it when I have a break all to myself. If not one other person started surfing for the first time, I think a lot of us would be really stoked. I could care less about the industry of surf. Sorry, but I’m a selfish bastard when it comes to my solo sessions.

ie coolness

Have you ever seen someone just totally blow up on a board that by most standards is totally ridiculous looking?

When all the bada$$es were riding 17in. wide boards what do you think they said about the guy who showed up in the parking lot with a fish? 1 year later what do you think those same “bada$$es” are riding in waves less than head high?

That’s the thing about coolness. If you’re late or early, it’s just not the same as being on time.

Fashion over function baby, gets 'em every time. :0)

what does this have to do with a guy trying to be successful???

i live on an island and know probably 95% of the surfers here on a first name basis.

almost without exception i leave the beach ,after having surfed, without saying much more than hi or simply giving a nod to someone.

am i an evil corporate mogul?

no.

im a carpenter. i still have my" blue collar badge" and could very easily hang around and talk about football, the job, the surf, whatever.

I just choose not to.

maybe randy french does too.

so this guy might be a little reserevd ,who knows???

to imply that he’s hated by all because he chose the path of finacial success is a little, ?

whats that saying about ,“you are who you associate with” ?

maybe thats why hes done so well, hes not sitting in the parking lot complaining about the wife, or the “good old days”.

Good point lazy.

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I consider Bill to be far richer than Randy French. His empathy and camraderie with his community is something to aspire to.

Camraderie and empathy with the community can be a ball and chain in many respects, as it comes at the price of conformity . . . … as a longtime surfing loner I have to point out that not eveyone wants to hang with the herd or give group hugs.

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I consider Bill to be far richer than Randy French. His empathy and camraderie with his community is something to aspire to.

Camraderie and empathy with the community can be a ball and chain in many respects, as it comes at the price of conformity . . . … as a longtime surfing loner I have to point out that not eveyone wants to hang with the herd or give group hugs.

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Best post so far…it’s what used to set surfing apart from other sports. A band of individuals enjoying the ocean.

“Solo sessions are great true, but do you use a commercial fin system? without the new people buying boards and fins, there wouldn’t be FCS, Future, Lokbox, etc. Shoot, you were a newb once. What if the Campbell hadn’t have started Surfing? Steve Liz? Skip Frye? Simon Anderson? Without new people entering the sport, nothing progresses.”

maybe “progression” is not necessarily a good thing? i wouldn’t mind riding only a solid redwood log with no fin wearing only a wool sweater and some homemade trunks. “progression” is what has led us to the x-games, “tow-ats”, fist fights in the lineups, surfers flipping off the camera in the tube, etc. i fully agree with Solo…

“As for me….I will always enjoy those paddle outs to the horizon regardless of the board I choose to get me there and I will always have a soft spot for those characters within our sport who didn’t cave in to the temptation to go big in a sport that was never intended to be big. To me it’s always been about being out there …not being in.”

did Duke or George Freeth or Doc Ball or Leroy Grannis or any of those pioneers have any less fun than we do now on our modern equipment?

i questions my own motives though as i usually ride a modern thruster…

i don’t really want solo sessions all the time… though, sometimes they are so grounding.

i would really like that the other people in the water with me respect this sport of kings as much as i do. if to the next surfer, it means the same as rollerblading or snowboarding, i just really wish that they would do that instead… comraderie…

maybe i’m just rambling… just some thoughts…

“There are some social moral issues that need to be addressed and at least considered for personal integrity or thought only. Issues such as dealing with countries that produce no resources other than labor and the labor produced is because of the poverty in those countries or the governments of those countries lack of concern for their workers. However…it’s legal and if the market is going to dictate how you make a living then the choice is this: Go out of business or get with the program. Sharp business people have a knack for predicting the future and preparing for it. Could Randy French be one of those? Look at the fear that existed for the first couple of weeks after Clark Foam closed it’s doors. If your at the mercy of one supplier or Technology then your asking for it when it hits you in the face. If you’re a shop owner and you put yourself at the mercy of any particular board builder or name brands…your asking for it when they can’t produce or go out of popularity. Surf Tech has to some degree solved this problem for the store owners and allowed many retailers to make better margins on the product”

Wow, if you call being totally ignorant of the economic facts of Thailand a compliment to Surftech then you are right on track. I would like to prove to you that you…US surf shop owners are the exploiters of labor.

first off Thailand has an unemployment rate of 2% compared to the US of 4.5%. The living below poverty level in Tahiland is 10% and 12% in the U.S.

Most jobs in Thailand are agricultural and only 14 % are manufacturing whicn surftech would be included in. The rest of the jobs are in the service industry.

The low paying job at the cobra factory would be the equivilant of $16 us dollars per hour in our economy. The more skilled jobs would be more of course.

How much do you pay your check out clerk at your shop??? What is your sander getting per board??? The cobra factory is one of the cleanest and safest surfboard factories in the world. You can’t make a near perfect product every time in a hell hole surf shop. The carbon fiber products coming out of cobra are boieng aircraft quality.

So I call bull sheeeet on your misleading premise.

Fact—thailand poverty level is below the united states

Fact–Minimum wage at the cobra factory is twice the us equivilant minimum wage

Fact–Lack of concern for the workers is your buddy using PE resin and the wrong wind direction running you out of your shop cuz of the fumes.(your words dude). The cobra factory is a perfect example how an efficient/safe shop should operate.

Please quit with the misleading urban ledgends of the not so successful, I need an excuse U.S. board builder.

Blakestah’s comments are very uncomplimentary, of silly logic and your acknowledement of them show your hate for Randy French.

I bet if he used 80,000 surf truck fin system sets per year the tune would change.

When you really want to compliment surftech please post again. This was far from being of praise or complimanetary to Surftech.

I salute Randy French once again for be the quiet introvert who has a lot on his mind after surfing. After all the enjoyment he has brought to the surfers of the world and the burden to better the the already excellent product is quite a loard to carry. Also all the economic prosperity he brings to Thailand and all the shapers in his stable and to the surf shop owners who carry the product is amazing. How he stays so humble about this success is remarkable. I think we all could learn a lot about surfboards, life and how to handle success from Mr French.

sorry dude

im all for cottage industries and uncrowded breaks

brand labels are for pussies

curlbongtech can suck my fat one

Wow,

Intellegent arguement.

Don’t get any resin on the carpet in your living room/glassing room.

I am afraid you are the poster child for how it shouldn’t be done when it comes to personal protection and safety when making a board.

Stick with the facts and not the insults to all who own a professionally built surfboard. Regarding your “fat one”, Bic pen, not board comes to mind. You can use the bic pen top to cover your fat one with room to spare.

your sorry dude, dude.

Erase the hate.