How is a fish a fish? I have an idea that a fish has a swallow tail with twin fins , period. Now I see many people riding trusters with swallows and calling them a fish , or twinzer. I say it’s a rip, call it something else please. What’s your call?
Skip, check out the thread linked below. Swaylock http://www.swaylocks.com/discussion/archive/index.cgi?read=448
Skip,>>> check out the thread linked below.>>> Swaylock As in most other cases, the developed “first use” of a specific design, commonly recognized name and the historical context surrounding a person place or thing determines its root definition for all subsequent interpretations. Many of the “fish” shapes seen today bear no similarity to what Steve Lis initially popularized… not to say they are not valid in their own right, but perhaps their makers should seek another name with which to distinguish their designs. The power and inspiration of the original “Fish” can still be found if one returns to that time period and studies the context of where, when, who, what and why it was created and ridden. To understand the present, it is often wisest to remember the past. Dale
How is a fish a fish? I have an idea that a fish has a swallow tail with > twin fins , period. Now I see many people riding trusters with swallows > and calling them a fish , or twinzer. I say it’s a rip, call it something > else please. What’s your call? Lis popularised his style fsh. Others have changed the widths, fin placement and aspect ratio. I have heard some people describe swallow tails as “fish-tails”. Somwtimes it is a matter of symantics. My question is, when the tail tips aren’t wide enough to call it a Lis Fish and to wide to call it a swallow, what do you call it? See the problem…cal it a C-5 minus the trail fin, umm, umm, minus the jib fins ummm, umm twinzer two fins short of a …ummm Mark Richards retro ummm, ummm. Well, if you are a really well know shaper you get to mane them what ever the heck you want I guess. Let’s call it a flying fish for, " Who the hell gives a flying f…!" Peace. Give a wave take a wave bradah…SHAKKKA!
Lis popularised his style fsh. Others have changed the widths, fin > placement and aspect ratio. I have heard some people describe swallow > tails as “fish-tails”. Somwtimes it is a matter of symantics. My > question is, when the tail tips aren’t wide enough to call it a Lis Fish > and to wide to call it a swallow, what do you call it? See the > problem…cal it a C-5 minus the trail fin, umm, umm, minus the jib fins > ummm, umm twinzer two fins short of a …ummm Mark Richards retro ummm, > ummm. Well, if you are a really well know shaper you get to mane them what > ever the heck you want I guess. Let’s call it a flying fish for, " > Who the hell gives a flying f…!“>>> Peace. Give a wave take a wave bradah…SHAKKKA! Steve, all this reminded me of the loaded question about Grandpa
s old axe: "Well, we
ve changed the handle three times and the head at least twice… so, whaddya mean its not REALLY Grandpa
s axe anymore??” The simple fact remains that those closest to the development and use of the Lis “Fish” have no problem defining what it was (and isn`t)… But, you definitely hit the semantics nail on the head: in a society such as ours (surfers included, for sure), product names are often actually defined as, “a constantly changing sales and marketing strategy”, and seldom have any real depth of meaning for the average consumer to trust. That said, I still have great hope and admiration for the many smaller, independent, inquisitive builders, whose primary concern is simply to discover, “what works”…
Keep it down over here, you’ll wake the Penguins with all of the ruckus. t.>>> Lis popularised his style fsh. Others have changed the widths, fin > placement and aspect ratio. I have heard some people describe swallow > tails as “fish-tails”. Somwtimes it is a matter of symantics. My > question is, when the tail tips aren’t wide enough to call it a Lis Fish > and to wide to call it a swallow, what do you call it? See the > problem…cal it a C-5 minus the trail fin, umm, umm, minus the jib fins > ummm, umm twinzer two fins short of a …ummm Mark Richards retro ummm, > ummm. Well, if you are a really well know shaper you get to mane them what > ever the heck you want I guess. Let’s call it a flying fish for, " > Who the hell gives a flying f…!">>> Peace. Give a wave take a wave bradah…SHAKKKA!
How is a fish a fish? I have an idea that a fish has a swallow tail with > twin fins , period. Now I see many people riding trusters with swallows > and calling them a fish , or twinzer. I say it’s a rip, call it something > else please. What’s your call? How bout hybrid fish? modern fish? To me if the board has a wide nose (over 15"), at least 20" wide, and a swallow over 7" you could call it a fish. I do know what youre saying though…I called mine the Millenium Fish because I shaped it to ride the first day of 2000…couldnt wait though, rode it in december right after it got back from the glasser hehe. I also had another modern fish I dubbed the “Quish” because it had five fins. Beau Young can be seen ripping an original looking fish in the video, “Quiver, the long and short of it”.