H-Glass

Has anyone heard or tried H-Glass ?

According to swiss-composite.ch :

Hollow glass fibers 216 g/m²

Hollow glass fibers 216 g/m² - a new Low Density Structural Material.

With their unique properties, combining low weight, high specific strength and energy absorption capabilities,

H-glass fibers became very attractive engineering materials for use in the advanced composites and aerospace industries.

General characteristics

H-glass is a lower density fiber in comparison with a „solid“ E-glass or S-2 Glass, thus reducing the overall weight of cured laminates by up to 40 %! H-glass is more elastic, has higher compression strength and specific strength characteristics compare to „solid“ E-glass fibers.

The hollow structure of H-glass fibers is responsible for significant improvement in their dielectric, thermo-insulating and acoustic insulation properties in comparison to standard „solid“ glass and carbon fibers.

H-glass fiber based composites serve as a very efficient energy and shock absorbers.

Main applications

All the above make H-glass hollow fibers an attractive material for manufacturing of a wide range of composite products, such as antenna and radoms (a cost effective solution compare to the high cost quartz fibers), cured laminates for electrical insulation, aircraft interiors and sandwich structures (resulting of a lower weight, higher thermal and acoustical insulation panels), a lower weight and higher bending and compression strength structural composite parts for use in aerospace, automotive and sporting goods products.

witchcraft uses it in sailboards!

http://www.witchcraft.nu/

I use it. I lays really flat and it is realitively inexpensive.

D

Fiberglass Hawaii?

Do you H-Glass or something else?

On the other hand has anyone acquired and used Russian Basalt Glass?

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I use it. I lays really flat and it is realitively inexpensive.

D

Hello,

Can you tell us a little more on how you use it and what are, from your experience, its pros and cons.

Oneula, you can order basalt from the same place as the H-glass, its German though. Is Russian basalt glass noticeably better? I’m going to be ordering some H-glass today. I’m going to be glassing a few boards with 4oz Xynole and H-glass with 2020 RR, vaccum bagged of course…hopefully it will work pretty well.

Hello Turbojets,

It’s funny, I’m also on a project with xynole, H-glass and RR 2020. However for weight and budget reasons, I’m now hesitating and might just go with H glass and RR 2020. I really wish someone could tell us more about H-glass and its flex and strength properties.

Please, let me know how your project goes as you will probably get started before I do.

TJ

here’s the link that Keith posted back in 2004.

I thinks it’s Russian

http://sudaglass.com/fabrics.html

Here’s a comment on company using it for snowboards as posted in a favorite thread I re-read every now and then.

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Basalt Fibre is used already in the US for Snowboard building.

Go to http://www.lib-tech.com click on tech and then the yellow link at the bottom saying “golden Flece”

And turn on the sound to hear some russian talk… you can go on and download the russion promo film for their product… cool stuff.

Lib-tech does produce snowboards and skateboards…

(Beware if they ever decide to jump at surfboards )

a great source for materials is http://www.materialconnexion.com/intro.htm they list all kind of materials…

you need a membership…

but their database is great.

And here’s two clips from the same thread that was a discussion between LeeV, Delbert Pumpernickle and Bert Burger on the topic… Who’s knows maybe it’s all out dated stuff at this point with the new Nano stuff…

But it’s simply amazing what was being discussed here in public as far back as 2004.

I thinks Delbert was both Bert and Jim Richardson’s materials sourcing and testing guru back then…

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Dear Bert, here is the interesting aspects of basalt fiber.

In its’ raw neat form without a matrix, it is only about 12% higher in strain-to-failure than conventional e-glass.

I’ve had about ten little strands of this fiber since 1989 when a U.S. college student invented it as a final thesis.

Now 12% doesn’t sound that impressive, but as you know in composites, it is.

Here’s where it gets really cool.

No factory in the U.S. has ever been able to manufacture basalt fiber.

The temperature required is much higher than glass fiber.

PPG and Owens Corning have no interest in persuing it because they both have their own patents on different glass formulas which you may know includes many other ingredients other than just silica, many of them being carcinogen suspects.

The beauty of basalt fiber is that it is nothing more than dirt shoveled out of the ground, heated to a very high temp and pushed through very expensive bushings. Different tracts of basalt from around the world create slightly different properties. The best discovered so far are in former Soviet countries and a huge tract in Eastern Washington. Two independent companies in the U.S. have tried to process it and had meltdowns in the reactors due to the elevated temperatures. They’ve lost millions and basically sent some investors to the loony ward. I had opportunities to invest but luckily stayed clear.

Now here’s the very best part of the story…when you saturate it with epoxy, the strength properties grow from 12% higher than glass to 92% higher.

Most surfboard builders don’t think about this, and they shouldn’t, but it is really important to try to match a fiber’s elongation % with the matrix elongation %. This is why Kevlar and Carbon really don’t have much of a real functional use in sporting equipment that takes a beating. Basalt fiber is a perfect harmonic marriage with common street epoxies, while glass has a little higher elongation. So when basalt and epoxy load up, they fail as a unit instead of two lower energy failures.

Here is the good news.

The Russian Defense Program sunk heaps of cash into buiding three factories to build this fiber.

I am currently getting it in ball form and having it woven or knit into whatever patterns I need.

All of my knits are about 4 times heavier than you would want and very uni-biased patterns.

However if I can find a sample from about four years ago, I’d love to give it to you to try.

I had a 5oz plain weave processed by Hexcel’s looms.

The fiber is brownish-gold, but looks kind of like carbon when wetted.

It also doesn’t seem to itch!

Let me know if your interested in that or any other crazy future materials.

Oh yeah, the modulus is just an RCH higher than glass.

-Love D. Pumpernickel

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I’ll try to have a little sample woven to 4oz. or less by Hexcel.

The properties of basalt vary greatly depending on what tract they come from.

The current supply from Russia is the 92% stronger version at this moment.

It was tested by an independent lab at a university in the midwest.

I also have some futuristic skins that will probably be ready to release in the next year or so.

These have no epoxy or thermoset resin of any sort.

You will be able to skin a custom board on the spot in minutes and surf it immediately.

It will be very safe for the craftspeople and quite a bit friendlier for the environment.

Dig this; I can take a claw end hammer and beat this skin (at less weight than a normal glass job) and the claws rebound and don’t penetrate the skin.

However the foam I’m using does slightly deform, but just slightly. P.U. foam or styrene would be completely anialated. This foam rebounds.

I’m talking about beating it like a madman!

The blank molds (moulds down under) will be very expenive, so each step of progress must be very calculated or as you know , you can throw away alot of $$$$ very fast.

Totally recycleable foam though…

Here’s some food for thought…

did you know a bulletproof Kevlar weave is only bulletproof until you put epoxy on it.

A high modulus resin makes cracks propigate right through the fabric.

Your observation of concrete and glass is correct.

The epoxy and glass are mainly sticking together because of mechanical entrapment and a good sizing wash on the fibers as a primer.

Basalt dosn’t need a sizing wash!

This other skin that I’m developing goes years beyond the basalt technology.

Most of the shapers on this site will think it is too spooky to even think about.

However I’d love to keep some progressive craftsmen like yourself in the mix.

And here’s another benefit…

Asia will have no advantage with these new materials!

Boards will last so long that there will be value added to custom shapes and custom flexes.

-Love Delbert Pumpernickel

nice find B; I was under the impression that Lib was pretty much buying everything they could get their hands on, so it’s nice to see that there’s an alternative supplier. Looks like the fabric they’ve got there is a twill type weave though, so delbert’s idea of getting roving and sending it off to a different loom seems appropriate. Wondering what kind of foam he’s referring to in that old post too…EPP perhaps? That’d be a pretty sweet package, for sure; epp w basalt and epoxy. Oh…specific gravity of basalt fibers is a bit higher than glass too…~5%; no big deal.

Interesting notes; elastic modulus is higher than glass; good; more pop, and comments in regards to elongation at failure are exactly why lib’s been using it; pretty much perfect match for epoxy elongation…

cosmetics will be an issue for some though…

btw; I don’t think Mervin’s gonna be making the jump to surfboards any time soon; they’d have already done it; they’re a wholly owned subsidiary of the big Q., so if they wanted to go that route, chances are they already could have. One of our old posters here was likely Mervin founding member M.O.; he’s gone silent in regards to surfboards, they’ve been in the middle of a production move from the PNW to Utah, and have plenty snowboards to make…don’t know that it’s a big “expansion” time for them; doubt they’re looking to increase production demands right now; think that magnetraction has them busy enough…

Aloha Oneula:

My bad, I was using k-glass.

You know me, I use anything I can get my hands on.

D

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My bad, I was using k-glass.

Does k-glass has some advantages/disadvantages compared to E-glass?

K-glass use to be cheaper than e-glass. It’s a little bit harder to wrap around the rails. I like to use it as under layer deck patches. I like it but e-glass is more common.

D