Happy Thanksgiving Swaylockians!!
hi Art !
maybe YOU could explain to the rest of the world what “thanksgiving” is actually celebrating ?
When I asked ‘dower’ / ‘overboard’ , all I got was some weird story about the search for the biggest turkey in America .
…Is THAT true ?
cheers mate !
ben
Here ya go Ben, it originally started with the pilgrims and native american indians. It was a day that they chose to celebrate and give thanks with the native american indians for the bounty that they (the indians and the pilgrims) had grown and harvested. The pilgrims endured great hardships their first winter in the New World. I am sure the indians had to suffer the same conditions but, they were a little more prepared since after all they were the native american indians.
In this day and time that we live in now the thanksgiving day is a basically a holiday for the “man” to commercialize on.Getting a paid day off! Always a good thing! Eating until you pop, guzzling multitudes of Bush beer long necks (at least that is what I drink) Football games (not rugby or soccer), parades, newspaper ads giving “Black Friday” sale information for the busiest shopping day in the states for Christmas.
Ahhh! Christmas. Of course that is another holiday so, I will wait until then to give my input on it.
Ben keep up the post! You are a highlight to this forum.
so tell me about the turkeys…
first you make the stuffing - in my case - get some yellow-corn tortillas, chop up, mix with onions and celery, smoked oysters, and a can of water chest nuts – put on the skillet and cook it some.
Den stuff in the bird’s cavities - rub the bird with melted butter - rub on some salt-n-pepper… sqeeze a lime or two on top… in the oven she goes. Basting all along with drippings + lime/butter mixture.
peel and lighty fry some quartered spuds (color the outside only) - one a hour before bird’s done throw the potatos in with the bird, baste with drippings.
Instead of yams - Platano en Tentacion – ripe plantain (skins black), cut into pieces, put in skillet with Butter, coca-cola, brown sugar, cinnamon, some salt…bring to boil and then simmer for about 30 min or until the plantians maintain a nice carmel coating. (candied plantains really)
thanks , mate , for the recipe …
but , what I actually meant was …
does the turkey have some kind of deep historical influence / significance in the whole early settlers/ mayflower/ indian story
or…
is it just what Americans like to get fat eating ?
here in Oz , it’s “meat pies and beer, mate” ! [how’s THAT for “kultyer” , eh ??]
ben
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“first you make the stuffing - in my case - get some yellow-corn tortillas, chop up, mix with onions and celery, smoked oysters, and a can of water chest nuts …” THEN , not too long after , you get rid of the stuffing [the best part ] mmmmm, “Mr.Henky’s” coming
I found this for you Ben,
In 1621 when the Plymouth colonists and Wampanoag Indians celebrated the first Thanksgiving, they were gobbling up many more foods than just turkey. Since lobster, goose, duck, seal, eel, and cod were plentiful during this time, these foods were most likely the main courses of this first feast. Deer meat and wild fowl are the only two items that historians know for sure were menu of this autumn celebration.
So how did the turkey become the main mascot of modern-day Thanksgiving if we don’t know for certain that turkeys were at this first feast?
One story tells of how Queen Elizabeth of 16th century England was chowing down on roast goose during a harvest festival. When news was delivered to her that the Spanish Armada had sunk on it way to attack her beloved England, the queen was so pleased that she order a second goose to celebrate the great news. Thus, the goose became the favorite bird at harvest time in England. When the Pilgrims arrived in America from England, roasted turkey replaced roasted goose as the main cuisine because wild turkeys were more abundant and easier to find than geese.
Turkey Trivia:
- The long fleshy skin that hangs over a turkey’s beak is called a snood.
- The color of a wild turkey’s naked head and neck area can change blue when mating.
- Male turkeys are nicknamed “toms” while females are called “hens.”
- When turkeys reach maturity they can have as many as 3,500 feathers!
- Faster than a speeding bullet–Wild turkeys can run up to 55 miles an hour
stubs LMAO!!!
so , in summary, queen = goose
american = turkey
Also do not forget that Ben Franklin wanted the turkey as our national bird…something to do with their intelligence and not martial symbolism it think…do not have time to google it now…but in the end the bald eagle won out.
as to the big t day…I always am fond of it as I have a great time having a massive feast with all of my closest friends and then getting a surf in on the Friday after…always seems to be a decent swell this time of year…
j
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I found this for you Ben,
In 1621 when the Plymouth colonists and Wampanoag Indians celebrated the first Thanksgiving, they were gobbling up many more foods than just turkey. Since lobster, goose, duck, seal, eel, and cod were plentiful during this time, these foods were most likely the main courses of this first feast. Deer meat and wild fowl are the only two items that historians know for sure were menu of this autumn celebration.
So how did the turkey become the main mascot of modern-day Thanksgiving if we don’t know for certain that turkeys were at this first feast?
One story tells of how Queen Elizabeth of 16th century England was chowing down on roast goose during a harvest festival. When news was delivered to her that the Spanish Armada had sunk on it way to attack her beloved England, the queen was so pleased that she order a second goose to celebrate the great news. Thus, the goose became the favorite bird at harvest time in England. When the Pilgrims arrived in America from England, roasted turkey replaced roasted goose as the main cuisine because wild turkeys were more abundant and easier to find than geese.
Turkey Trivia:
- The long fleshy skin that hangs over a turkey’s beak is called a snood.
- The color of a wild turkey’s naked head and neck area can change blue when mating.
- Male turkeys are nicknamed “toms” while females are called “hens.”
- When turkeys reach maturity they can have as many as 3,500 feathers!
- Faster than a speeding bullet–Wild turkeys can run up to 55 miles an hour
stubs LMAO!!!
Just imagine if the queen had ordered prime rib instead of goose…yummy!
yea I think the point of the Turkey is that it’s a food that the American continent blessed us with - most of the food on the table comes from here - the succotash (mixed veg), the yams, the cranberries, pumkin pie… and down here in Panama…the plantain (although I think mebbe plantain all over the tropics)… that’s the CZ/Panama spin on the yam. “CZ” being the former US territory, the Canal Zone in Panama.
Turkey - a pretty wiley bird. My friends who hunt tell me that they are one of the hardest animals to get a line on. they’re on to ya.
It was, traditionally a Christian Holiday, that is now so deeply interwoven into the fabric of American culture/society. My girlfriend is buddhist, but she celebrates it.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-wall/wal-g007.html
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here in Oz , it’s “meat pies and beer, mate”
Tell the truth, Chip. It’s really wichetty grubs and Cooper’s, idn’t it?
George Washington 1789
Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor – and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me “to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.”
Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be – That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks – for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation – for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the tranquility [sic], union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed – for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted – for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us. 
And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions – to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually – to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed – to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn [sic] kindness onto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord – To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease [sic] of science among them and us – and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York
the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.
George Washington
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