Help request; chambered wood board glue bond coming undone

Hi All,

This is my first build (yes I’m still plugging away after a year). It is an old school chambered wood board. I rough shaped, split the sticks, chambered, did “final” glue up, and have got it pretty close to lam time. Tonight I noticed that the outboard most stick and it’s inboard partner do not have a good bond. Visually there is a gap ~1-2 mm and I can apply a fair amount of pressure by hand and can create an additional gap of several mm. Since I am this far along and the fact that it is chambered, I am very hesitant to break it apart. Obe-wan Kenobi, you are our last hope. Do you have a tried and true fix? If not, I’m open to suggestions. Thank you one and all for your input.

Chris

Can you post a photo?

You may be able to inject glue into the seam with a syringe then clamp it tight. Jimthegenius probably knows what will work best. 

Kevin,

I’ll post pics tomorrow. Bond is good at the ends, the gap is in the middle, but to my mind significant.

C

Kevin,

I’ll post pics tomorrow. Bond is good at the ends, the gap is in the middle, but to my mind significant.

C

Instead of fighting the warp, how about filling the gap with epoxy and glass over it. That way it will stay stable and have no flex.

If you are going to glue it, it may be easier to thicken it first with microballons or a facsimile like Herb's diaper fill.

There is another way if it is a case of cosmetics. Take some scrap wood and cut tapered slivers to glue and fill the gap. If it is wedged, it will jam in tightly. Let the glue set and hand plane it smooth, sand, and glass it. The gap will disappear.

tblank is on to it ,slivers will fill bigger gaps easily and blend better than filler etc.

had a few hairline ones on my glue up and filled them with a wood filler or pva glue mixed with wood dust from offcuts.

I glued up the pieces in couples first then one piece at a time so I only had to worry about one glue line at a time and could get them tight…

You've got it Nocean. That trick has saved me a number of times.

If done with care, the gap truly will disappear.

In woodworking it is called a "Dutchman".

I’d try to get some glue into the gap and then inner tube it until it pulls closed, I can close “almost” any gap with enough inner tube strips

 

The best wood blanks I have ever seen were made by Jim, so I would listen to him on wood, but would you?

 

Hi Mr Phillips

What are inner tubes, and inner tube strips - for the non native english speakers on sways :slight_smile:

Strips is a noun in that sentence, right?

W

from http://www.waveridersurfboards.com: “In 1959 Rich Harbour’s used longboard was stolen from his garage. Devastated, Rich decided to build a new board on his own. Using a piece of redwood, and huge rubber bands cut from an inner tube, he even glued the stringer in himself. The result wasn’t half bad for a high school junior.”


inner tube:

inner tube strips:

http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2008/04/p_innerclampsglue.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3512/3314904167_56b682b17f.jpg

Inner tube strips are the old school method of clamping a stringer between two halves of a blank.

http://www2.swaylocks.com/comment/1229518/Re-grasshopper-What-to-use-to-glue-up-EPS-blank-PVC-stri

Also handy for a variety of other clamping purposes

Dear All,

Thank you for your suggestions. I’ve gone with Mr. Jim’s (JTG) suggestion, the caveat being that I did not use inner tubes (I was in Walmart today and forgot, Dooooh!). The clamping method was here is taken from the Roman’s use of of rope to create tension on seige machines, e.g. catapult. Again, thank you all, my project moves forward.

Chris

[img_assist|nid=1066525|title=repair 1 of 6|desc=The offending gap on the hull side.|link=none|align=left|width=100|height=75]

[img_assist|nid=1066524|title=repair 2 of 6|desc=Gap masked and opened with soft wedges to allow glue to fill crevace.|link=none|align=left|width=100|height=75]

[img_assist|nid=1066526|title=repair 3 of 6|desc=Detail of masking and wedge|link=none|align=left|width=100|height=75]

[img_assist|nid=1066527|title=repair 4 of 6|desc=Detail of masking and wedge|link=none|align=left|width=100|height=75]

[img_assist|nid=1066528|title=repair 5 of 6|desc=Detail of “Roman clamp”|link=none|align=left|width=100|height=75]

[img_assist|nid=1066529|title=repair 6 of 6|desc=“Roman clamps” down length of offending gap.|link=none|align=left|width=100|height=75]

[img_assist|nid=1056158|title=Tags|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=100|height=75] Tag on my old 'stang.

I rummage through the bike shop dumsters, they always have a fresh supply of inner tubes, it seems fixing flats has gone the way of the horse and buggy. I still have my repair kit handy.

I snip them at the valve stem, then slit them lengthwise, like in the pics on the previous page, you can get so much cumilative pressure, more than you could achieve with regular clamps and not scar and mar the work surfaces

Mr. Jim et. al.,

The process worked great. The gap now is closed. Perhaps predictably one of my bindings did leave a shollow impression on the rails. Other than that I am pleased with the outcome. My little “village” does not have a bike shop, but I am on good terms with both tire repair establishments and will make a trip there for tubes. We are a farming community so there are lots of tractor tubes around. Anyone know if semi-tractors used tubed tires anymore? Anywho, thanks and ya’ll have a great weekend.

All the best, Chris

wet the area where the dent is and it will puff back out

You can always buy a new innertube, and cut it up, if used ones are not available.     You can also use a wet rag and a hot iron, and steam the dent.    Many times the dent will rise above the original surface.

The inner tube from a rear wheel of a tractor with give you a box full of seamless 3" wide rubber bands for yer glue-ups…

is this means that chambered wood board glue bond coming undone that two objects have successfully been joint using a glue? besides, correct me if i’m wrong but i think it’s not that hard for chambered wood to be attach using board glue, isn’t it.