hey dark-shredder, soulstice: what about these inserts by futures that will accept fcs in the boxes?

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In this thread: http://www.swaylocks.com/…mh=25;guest=17339748 I saw mention of them. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ (ive seen inserts by futures that will accept fcs in the boxes) talk about ripoff

that isn’t rip off at all. that’s adapting one system to accommodate fins from another. it’s still futures who gets paid on the box, and fcs who gets paid on the fins. what’s the problem with giving the end user the ability to use templates from both fin systems in the same box? on the other hand, the “standard” box from SurfSource is a blatant ripoff of the design and install developed by ProBox, and is then further-limited to only accept FCS fins. see the difference? do you need me to draw you a diagram?

First from: dark-shredder

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from: soulstice

I recently had an epoxy version of a friend’s board made. I absolutely loved the board, which was set up as a quad with FCS CRV fins. When I was going to have mine made, I found that the CRV fins were discontinued and FCS couldn’t come up with one set available in any of their warehouses. Since the board was going to be epoxy, the shaper wanted to put futures boxes in to prevent any issues and I agreed.

Now, the board rides totally different and I have tried several set ups. I just picked up a set of CRV fins I found online, and I would be very interested in getting a set of those “inserts” if anybody can point me in the right direction, I would be very greatful.

Does anybody know about these Future inserts to accept FCS fins?

If not, I don’t really see any other choice but to:

1.) get a new board in poly w/ FCS plugs.

2.) If he’ll agree to do it, epoxy with ProBox plugs or SurfSource Standard plugs.

w/ #1 being the preferred alternative, obviously.

I’ve never inspected a ProBox setup.

And, I am having trouble figuring out how the ProBox works.

Which leads to questions:

ProBox Questions:

1.) Do the ProBox plug “inserts” ever come out?

2.) What keeps them in there in the first place?

Any advise from people who have installed or owned surfboards with the ProBox or SurfSource plugs would be handy as well.

Thanks to all.

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SurfingKin,

the ProBox set screws line up with the tabs on the FCS fins. The ProBox fin boxes also give you the ability to adjust the fins forward and back. The ProBox inserts gives you the ability to adjust the fin cant 0,4,6,and 8 degrees depending on which set of inserts you buy. The inserts are interchangable. Check out there website.

http://www.proboxhawaii.com/index.html

Mike

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SurfingKin,

the ProBox set screws line up with the tabs on the FCS fins. The ProBox fin boxes also give you the ability to adjust the fins forward and back. The ProBox inserts you the ability to adjust the fin cant 0,4,6,and 8 degrees depending on which set of inserts you buy. The inserts are interchangable.

Mike

Mike, that information is all availabe on the Pro Box web site.

I am specifically concerned with the inserts coming out when in use/ surfing

Also, as far as I can tell, it’s just the pressure of the grub screw pressing against the sidewall of the insert. Which, correct me if I am wrong, is putting a “deforming” pressure on both the insert and the fin box, which could lead to fatigue and eventually, failure in time.

I was looking for replies from experienced Pro Box users and or installers.

Thanks to all.

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SurfingKin,

       the set screw goes through the insert and makes contact with the fin tabs. Check out the Greenlight for ProBox thread it shows the grooves cut into the fin where the set screws push the fins down into the fin box.

Mike

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SurfingKin,

when a fin is installed in the probox system, the set screw is going through the fin box,

through the insert and pushing down on a machined groove in the fin… the only way for the

insert to come out is to remove the set screw… if there was a great enough impact to rip the

fin out, it would, more than likely rip the fin and box and insert all out as one piece IMO.

actually seeing a Probox in person will answer all your questions.

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OK, thanks, that sounds like it could be a workable situation. The fin boxes are good for epoxy from what I have gathered.

Anybody know anything on the aforementioned future inserts for FCS?

That’s really what I am leaning towards, as I already have the board in hand and I’ve already spent the wad.

Don’t really want to wait, say 6-8 weeks for another.

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I am just posting to bring this back to the top. I did an internet search and could not find anything about inserts for Futures so you can use FCS fins. I have some current boards that have futures and some carbon FCS fins that I would love to try on the other boards.

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Am I the only person who’s used FCS plugs in epoxy with no problems? Just curious … I have a couple of epoxy boards with them in and never an issue …

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FCS Fusion boxes came out shortly after this post. I wish I had known.

I have been using them for a couple of months, and so far, I am very happy.

I just ordered a new board with them…

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they’re not exactly futures, i’ve used three sets and i guess they’re cool but i’d rather fcs or futures(install on these sucks ), you would have to call fox from surf source, i believe it’s a small company that gave surf source a box of demos


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Those are called “F” boxes. Developed in china, distributed by Fins Unlimited.

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SurfingKin,

the ProBox set screws line up with the tabs on the FCS fins. The ProBox fin boxes also give you the ability to adjust the fins forward and back. The ProBox inserts you the ability to adjust the fin cant 0,4,6,and 8 degrees depending on which set of inserts you buy. The inserts are interchangable.

Mike

Mike, that information is all availabe on the Pro Box web site.

I am specifically concerned with the inserts coming out when in use/ surfing

Also, as far as I can tell, it’s just the pressure of the grub screw pressing against the sidewall of the insert. Which, correct me if I am wrong, is putting a “deforming” pressure on both the insert and the fin box, which could lead to fatigue and eventually, failure in time.

I was looking for replies from experienced Pro Box users and or installers.

Thanks to all.

SurfingKin,

You are completely WRONG on the machanical locking concept of ProBox. You are thinking Of FCS. That’s the biggest problem I have with people understanding ProBox, because of so many copy caters of FCS. You are confusing ProBox with Surf Source wanna be FCS/ProBox. That’s how they all work.

ProBox, the set screw goes thru the box cavity thru the insert into the patented “V” notch of the base of the fin. This sucks the oversized insert of 2thousands compression fit with the fin into the box cavity. NO LATERAL PRESSURE LOAD AT ALL. If the fin is not all the way tight you will never lose the fin also because of the "V"of the base of the fin hold it in. This is how we at ProBox support our comment that ProBox is the only system to have the solid FEEL of a GLASS-ON.

To Bad to many people judge a book by it’s cover only. If they open the book and read it they may be surprised to see the difference. Thanks for asking those good questions SurfingKin that so many give the wrong answer to. Below is a pic showing the mechanical compression locking concept of a ProBox Fin.

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ProBox is the only system to have the solid FEEL of a GLASS-ON.

Lol