How are your board sales of late?

Reverb, the other things that help a lot is smart purchasing & lean manufacturing. With people going out of biz fairly regularly or downsizing, if you have some capital and a sharp eye, you can p/u blanks. tools and other materials for pennies on the dollar at times. I’m always looking for new supply sources that may beat out my established ones instead of assuming I’m getting the best price. Even building materials from my shop initally came from looking in the “Free” section of Craig’s List. I got black carpet, a door, lumber and 300 fluorescent tubes that way. I bought a brand new air conditioner for $60 still in the box.

I learned a long time ago that in business EVERYTHING IS NEGOTIABLE.

A good example of Lean Manufacturing is use of UV resin. When I do hotcoats, I walk the tape line with a Dixie cup collecting excess resin before pulling the tape. The tape is lower cost tape - not high temp. that I pull before flashing in the sun. The resin in the Dixie cup goes toward installing leashcups and fin boxes.

I use wax paper for masking off large areas while spraying colors on foam. You can do your primary tape line down, then lay the clear waxpaper out and cut with a razor as needed and tape into place. You can reuse large portions of the wax paper thereby saving even more $.

I find huge savings from time to time on chip, foam, and glossing brushes at places like Harbor Freight. The 4" brush I pay $3 to $4 at Ace or Home Depot ended up 79 cents on sale at HF. Now I have 20.

The big production drains for me are acetone, high grade tape, abrasives, and sometimes paint. That is other than the obvious material expenditures of blanks, fin systems, resin and cloth.

I drastically reduced my use of acetone by using UV resin and brushes I can throw away once they outlive their use doing service with UV resin (or epoxy). I only buy razor blades in boxes for cheap. I buy volume of foam, fins systems, paint and fiberglass. The resin is my area I need to improve on because I’m staying with 5 gal. containers to maintain a legal hobby status on my property. That jacks my gallon price up versus a drum, but I will have a drum delivered to a friend’s warehouse soon, then pump out 5 gallon containers from there.

I clear my abrasives with those gum rubber cleaners and was delighted to find they actually DO extend the life of high grade Norton abrasives. I tried the cheap sandpapers from HF but only with limited success. There are certain things you can’t go cheap on.

I use plastic containers for my resin tubs. Trader Joe’s has a V8 type drink that I cut the tops off to use for lam resin and the tops are perfect for funnels when straining paint and finish resin.

Be creative and put the savings in your pocket. It’s not always what you make as much as what you keep?

That's some excellent advice there, DS. I'm gonna look for one of those $60 a/c units, every 6 or 7 years I burn through one and my time is coming due.... Close-outs and going-out-of-business sales are, unfortunately, a fact of life these days. I hate to take advantage of other's misfortune, but that's the way markets work.

Just thinking outside the ''that's the way everybody else does it'' mindset can lead to lots of efficiencies.

…hey DS,

I dunno why the conversation derivated into your second answer, but those practices seem very good…

 

…jeezz

today was the epitome of what we were talking about…

man, I barely can made something today…people and customer non stop

and I don t want to convert myself in an aggro “host”

you know, this is a custom order wshop; but some people don t understand that the boards are made handmade (in my case) and that mean time

Try this: make a concious observation how many (if any) that come by to shoot the sh-t actually order boards from you, and how often in comparison to the hanging out they do.

Or try this, while still ‘being a nice guy’. While talking to them, just MAKE YOURSELF continue doing the work that you would normally do without them there. Once you get to the point that you have to turn on the planer or router, or start sanding, just excuse yourself, politely interupting them with “great stuf, excuse me mate…” then go about your business.

A few times of that and iit will get easier for you to do this w/o disjointing to many noses. The customers that respect your ability and work ethic will continue to do so and find a new respect for your dedication in getting the work out.

P.S. the spiel about lean manufacturing was to help you maximize bottom line when you are faced with challenges that slow your turnover and rob you of well deserved earnings.

Keep the mask on!

…forgot to mention…depending on the rail shapes, I frequently don’t even tape off for a deck hot coat. Just brush out and squeegee the resulting sheet back into the pot. On some of the designs with 1/3rd down rails, I tape to where I would have to baste for hard tail rails on the flipside, and leave that untaped. Then hotcoat and leave an intentional sheet when flashing.

Obviously this saves a lot of tape, or a little tape as the case may be. Tape represents a big one time expense. I’m sure both of you use narrower tape for hotcoats and bend it outward for spill off versus using wide tape. Enough said.

 

yes, the tape is high in the expenses or budget

I dont use the cheapos

and yes, taping is very time consuming (funny how from time to time some rookies here say that paint a board in 30 min, shape in 20 min, etc…)

Imagine the amount of tape I used in that color work…and the preparation time for each color

 

-when hot coating I don t use any tape

I hot coat the deck and baste the laps, then sand the laps

then hot coat the bottom and the resin doesnt drip off the rails

sometimes, depends on the tucked edge, I would tape that line, with a not so expensive tape (because nevermind the glue residue that some tapes leave)

 

Nice paint job, reverb!! Love the color choices.

hey reverb thats a great looking board.

 

              yep if you want to do good work you need good gear

**bruce i dont use acetone at all anymore it gets even easier whith uv resin
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Bitchen job! …and this illustrates the point I make to my customers that if I have to tape colors butting up to each other it will be a lot more expensive than if I have tape between them like you so prudently did… Okay, so now I get that you are in the ‘advanced reading class’ versus the uh, slow guys.

And yeah, hotcoat the deck, flip and do a quickie sand of lap, strands, drips, etc. and head to hot coat. except that once I’ve had the deck hotcoat cured enough I drill for leashcup, throw some scotch tape over the leashcup and drop in w/some milled fibers and a bit of Q cell. Then flip and get ready for the bottom HC. That miracle material called Scotch tape works for sticking Fusions in underneath the glass too…whether it be UV or epoxy. You even get to see how the leashcup bar is lining up.

Don’t let this stuff migrate over to the rookies section…

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You, sir, are an artist!

…well, thanks to everyone: Atomized, Huie, DS, MD

cool that you heavy weight guys liked it!

 

For this and other boards I d inspired in those old Beach umbrellas from a by gone era

 

DS, I do those butting colors too

but I can t charge more for that…sadly

however, I take all these as “marketing/advertising expenses”

making in the beach a “spot on” character in a land (sea) of white clear boards

 

 

Color has interesting psychology to it.

The classic red and white barber shop pole was found to attract more business.

Ice cream parlors where painted with what they call “attractor agitator” colors. They were designed to get you in then get you out. Yup, we want you to buy that ice cream, but don’t stay too long!

I found that a brilliant red and yellow board resulted in me getting less shoulder hopped at Rincon. I guess they saw me coming.

If you (one) can actually surf, maybe it is better not to be lost in a sea of white boards?

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cool that you heavy weight guys liked it!

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Thanks for not calling us ''old'' :)

Well…

 

…everything changed for me since this thread was created.

Haven’t been on Sways in quite awhile becuz all I’m doing is shaping.

So busy I don’t have time for just about anything else… don’t hate me, it just… is.

I wish the very best for all of you… now the A/C has dropped the temp, and it’s back into the room!

Who woulda ever guessed?

Including me!

…in the past weeks the orders increased 

like every one decide it in the same time

problem is delivery in time

you know, Im 1 man operation and all the custom boards are complicated shapes or intrincated colors, gloss finishes, hybrid finishes, reinforced nose and tails, etc

plus I make the fins for all the custom boards

all time consuming

 

I write this cause early in this thread I put that the sales were slow

Better get busy!

I respect your dedication toward doing all the super duper one off custom stuff. Unfortunately it is also super duper time consuming and almost impossible to make any $ doing it that way. That is unless you can charge a real premium for the work.

Best wishes.

It’s been a bit different this year. For  March I made about 10 boards for the whole month.

Typical winter I guess?

Then the first week of April I get 17 orders in one week? Then 10 the following week. I got 5 yesterday? Weird?                                           33 boards so far and the month is not over. I may hit 40 by months end?

I know it’s small potatoes but it’s better than a kick in the teeth!

Hope all of you have a good year,

Surfding

Cool!

33 boards @ $250 net = $8,250 by my formula.

Take away from that by

-giving team rider discounts or worse… free boards

-pay contest entry fees for riders

-throwing in color, extra stringer(s) S glass or something else.

-advertising in surf mags

-paying a bunch of guys to do the work instead of doing it yourself

-taking the deposits and living off them, going surfing, and not doing the work.

Gee, where’d all the money go?

Done.