Surfer takes board out ~ reports back ~
“I can’t feel the fins!”
Whadayathink ~
Good?
Bad?
Thoughts about the report?
sounds like it surfs “effortlessly”. That would be a good thing.
is that all he said, mailed? texted?
was he not enthousiastic or something?:?
Sounds pretty damn good to me!
You gonna post some pics?
I’d take it as a good sign. It means that he knows which side to stand on.
He did say other things but this one comment seems most poignant.
Frankly for this guy who can’t stand on either side of a board these days feeling the fins is and foiling them of course I get to do (-;
Maybe if you don’t feel the fins when the board’s on the wave face the drag coefficient of the fins is minimal. That can’t be bad as long as the board will hold it’s line when the face gets critical.
Hmmmm…???
Aloha, Rich
I wonder does he mean smooth and loose but not drivey. It depends on his frame of reference and what board he normally rides. I found riding a twinzer after a bonzer I craved that blast and acceleration off the bottom that a bonzer gave. In comparison the twinzer was smooth and effortless.
I think I get what he is saying from having ridden your fins with the variable toe-in as a function of depth. Under unloaded and loaded conditions there is less drag associated with the fins.
Its a shame such fins are not more broadly available, because there is a real performance advantage, but I guess anyone who wants them can always contact Halcyon…
Why the companies with CNC fin design capabilities cannot figure out the same thing is beyond me, but maybe the hobbyists are always leading the industry in fin work.
I agree with Blakestah.The performance is there beyond a shadow of a doubt with your fins.I
feel that because you designed them for a particular board they are smoother
in feel.The keels I put on my latest fish that have your foil mimick that smoothness and acceleration.
Remind me… re toed in at the bases and not the tips, right? Can we see them? ; )
My keels don’t have the twist but, all this much easier explained by Halcyon.I fumble about
at such things and usually get it wrong.
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My keels don’t have the twist but, all this much easier explained by Halcyon.I fumble about
at such things and usually get it wrong.
I’m not scared of bad explanations!!!
It is easier to explain with a simple unrealistic scenario. Imagine a board going straight. The waterflow under the board runs from the centerline towards the rails because the nose of the board is higher than the tail. If you measured this water flow relative to the board, you would find it angles more center-to-rail when you are very close to the board, and more nose-to-tail and less center-to-rail when you are a few inches deep.
Halcyon’s fins mimic this natural water flow. They are more toed-in near the board, and less toed in near the tip. How much angle to use, and at what depth to apply it, are just a few of the things you would need to dial in to optimize it. When you are not hard on rail you will feel like the fins disappear in terms of board handling (drag). When you apply them on rail you will find they grab and lift quite effectively.
You think the tips are torquing with the tip vortex? So they stay non-stalled, like?
Hey Rich–would you mind if I put those pics in here?
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You think the tips are torquing with the tip vortex? So they stay non-stalled, like?Hey Rich–would you mind if I put those pics in here?
Less toe in at the tip means a higher AOA. Earlier tip stall, if that were relevant.
I said IF they’re torquing.
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"I can't feel the fins!"
So take the fins off and have him go for a surf. See what he says then!
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So take the fins off and have him go for a surf. See what he says then!
Lol, ditto.
I’d ask him to but they’re glass-ons.
Oh Well, that’s the trouble with mixin’ ole school and new school ~ You may end up with something unusual that’s a little hard to measure, but if it’s fun and performs sweet, I guess that’s what really counts.
No Worries, Rich
Ask him to feel underneath the board. Towards the tail. He should be able to feel them there. Rooster, at your service… Mike
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So take the fins off and have him go for a surf. See what he says then!
Or take his legrope off. Rarely any discussion about the drag created by legropes but plenty of attention to the tiniest changes in fins. Hmmm?