got that sinking feeling in my stomach…
http://www.boardworkssurf.com/html/boardgallery/forstall.html
wow…that’s just F%@#ING insulting.
why? are those your templates or something??
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why? are those your templates or something??
That’s what I was wondering what I missed–I did kinda like not knowing and just readin soulstice’s reply over and over though LOL
maybe I’ll make it my signature…better not…
grergwre
i have a lot of respect for steve as a shaper. he’s built a reputation for himself as a producer of very high quality custom eps/epoxy boards that perform in any condition.
for him to license production of boardworks popouts (by definition, VERY LOW QUALITY eps/epoxy boards) of his templates…it’s very disappointing. it doesn’t make his handshaped boards any less of the great shapes that they’ve always been…but it does make me regret recommending him left and right to everyone who ever asked me where they could get a good, durable, high performance board for crappy florida surf. it kinda throws my praise right back in my face. like i said…insulting.
anything else?
That’s what I thought it might be. No offense. It WAS funnier before I knew, though.
cheers,
greg
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I talked to Noel (Solosurfer) last year about this same topic.
Talk to him and he’ll give you the lowdown of what went down…
Sounded like things didn’t go as planned going back several years ago.
But hell…
Hynson
Aipa
Schaper
Walden
Andrus
Bruce Jones
Eaton
Yancy Spencer
Kane Garden
and in the beginning there was Bob Miller (Cobalt)
Not a bad bunch to have taken the same koolaid with…
While over at Southpoint…
you have…
Schaper(again)
Merrick
Webber
Yep…still sucks, though. C.C. Rider sold out to Boardworks, too. Quite the bummer. One of the best longboards I ever owned was a C.C. Rider. Love that thing.
I remember Austin telling me a long while back that he got an offer from one of those pop-out board companies. Guess where he told 'em to stick it?!
makes you wonder…
what the mindset is that triggers the signature…
look at a guy like brewer who’s been all over the map with surftech, hydroepic and now aviso and who knows maybe boardworks one day. Before that the hollow waveset venture… I wonder if he was involved with Dextra too?
then you have a couple disciples like Lopez and Kanaiaupuni who just never see the need…
I guess it’s all an individual thing…
Austin 10-15 years down the road may have taken a different path.
Sometimes when you’ve been plugging away for years with a loyal but local following and yet are just always on the verge of breaking through is when you are most vulnerable to the pitch.
It’s tough to make a living shaping and selling boards. Cut him a little slack. (never met him)
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boardworks popouts (by definition, VERY LOW QUALITY eps/epoxy boards)
Boardworks = Boardworks Hawaii ???
Is this the same company???
If so I catch your drift…
http://www.boardworkshi.com/productinfo.html
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I remember Austin telling me a long while back that he got an offer from one of those pop-out board companies. Guess where he told 'em to stick it?!
Are you sure??
Just kidding…
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look at a guy like brewer who's been all over the map with surftech, hydroepic and now aviso and who knows maybe boardworks one day.
Brewer was the first to sign with Hydro Epic, and he’s making boards with Surftech. There’s no connection with Aviso or Boardworks.
Dick makes boards that work. He’s been on the leading edge of surfboard design for nearly fifty years. Before that, he was an engineer, model airplane designer/builder/pilot, and plastics expert. He still shapes over 500 boards a year, by hand, by himself. He’s paid (and continues to pay) his dues.
In the case of HE, Dick has been waiving the flag for hollow boards longer than about anyone. He made those boards because he believes in the technology, and wants to make boards that surf better. ST allows people to have his shapes that wouldn’t otherwise be able to get them.
Remember… Dick was one of the first guys to use foam. Grubby Clark and Dick both worked for Hobie when Clark Foam was born. Guys were taking flack for that too, way back when.
kendall,
i can’t comment on brewer’s activity with technology, so won’t.
i haven’t seen a boardworks board up close for a while now, but the last time i was severely disappointed in the overall finish. paint was uneven, pinlines sloppy - or in some cases just ended abruptly at the nose and tail with loads of overspray. no comment on the finish of the fin box, or internals, and general plastic feeling of the thing.
i posted this originally because when i look at a guy that excells in using tech like forstall, license an inferior product, i start to feel like what’s the point? i mean, if in the end we are all going to riding these boards, why should i bother continuing to learn the craft? there surely won’t be room for all of us to become custom only shapers. sure that opens the arguement for survival of the fittest, but best marketed is usually the case.
i wasn’t around for the change from wood to foam. but, the arguement that continually goes around saying that these popouts are the same evolutionary step is bullshit. when the switch was made to foam, they were still built by hand, by craftsmen. how can you compare a board made in a mold to a board made by hand? the arguement doesn’t fit.
…Rob,
“…compare a board made in a mold …by hand” ; answer: gobs of stupid people with money in the world.
the human, animals, nature, ALL have “imperfect” non symmetrical bodies and all work ok in their element…
however, there re people who try to clone other people and make them “perfect”…