I need help "Pinstriping" and "Abalone Leafing"

General Discussion
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Hey Dudes and Dudettes:

I am currently building a surfboard and I need help doing a pinstripe job on the board under the gloss coat, and then how could I do gold leafing or abalone leafing into the board?

Could any-one post how to steps with pictures please.

I saw an awesome surfboard at the Surfing Heritage Foundation with a sweet abalone leafing job (It was the Clark Foam longboard I think).

Oh yeah, I tried using the “Oneshot” pinstripe paint and that did not work- (Good thing I tried it on a sample piece, it lifted and wrinkled (not good)).

And question: Will the leafing make the glass weaker in that one spot it has the leafing?

I know I/we can do this.

This will kick off a trend-

Thank you

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That board was a Yater

Im not sure of the complete process but

the leafing is usualy pressed on by hand

Yater has some guy do it for him

call Rennie and maybe he will give you the guys name

or do a internet search

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That board was a Yater

Im not sure of the complete process but

the leafing is usualy pressed on by hand

Yater has some guy do it for him

call Rennie and maybe he will give you the guys name

or do a internet search

Kevin Ancell - He’s a monster artist with a lifetime of experience. . I doubt he’ll lay it down for you though. He and Mr. Yater aren’t done yet.

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my understanding is they take a completed Yater epoxy surftech

sand the hell out of it to get to the glass layer

then apply the shell veneer

and regloss

board ends up heavier

but about the same weight as a heavily glassed PU version

Some shell veneer distributors…

http://www.oceanshellnz.com/index.asp

http://www.aquabluemaui.com/aqabout.html

There’s some other options though not shell veneer that might work as as well and not be as heavy

http://www.fibreglast.com/showproducts-category-DVDs%20and%20VideosChromaveil-190.html

Also no reason why Marlee couldn’t print out a some shell graphis on his fleeces

http://www.freaksoffashion.com/

Or this plastic exterior version I just bought for some other projects

http://www.alsacorp.com/products/salesaccessories/alsa_3d_spk.htm

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They might be doing Surftech conversions but I’ve also seen Balsa boards with the inlay work. Easternpacific might know. The one in the museum is foam and has three stringers… see board in background to the left. Ab lam all around the rails. Guitar makers use it as well.

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Kevin can do his work on any board.

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Got my abalone from www.inlayusa.com, seemed to be the cheapest I could find. Got the bits cut out at the local trophy-maker’s shop on their engraving laser. Probably won’t do any more, you wouldn’t believe the amount of time required to assemble all those little parts. It would be a great method for a simple image with less pieces, though.

I did have to router out an inlay cavity, the wood was 1/40".

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Pinlines, you can tape off your lines and paint them. Or you can use an ‘old school’ yet my fav way, tape off and paint your pins with tinted gloss resin, then scuff pinlines and do a final gloss coat.

As far as the abalone shell inlay, .

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channin is the glass shop, but Jedi Kieth Perico a master of clears of the drunken monkey styles.( hes always gone out of his way to clue me in when im off even a little, he gave me my first knick name CHUPITO; “little sucker” when i first started working at channin)

does all the resin work as far as lamination and hot coating. Ed haggen sands. rw does qc and brimo glosses, and sam cody pinlines.

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as far as mother of pearl .

make a stencil…put down the special glue. stick down the little sheet of material whipe with brush. whats not glued will brush away …in theory.

thats how in a nutshell. im sure its the same as gold leafing.

V.

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Quote:

as far as mother of pearl .

make a stencil…put down the special glue. stick down the little sheet of material whipe with brush. whats not glued will brush away …in theory.

thats how in a nutshell. im sure its the same as gold leafing.

V.

it’s all relative

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i don’t mean to hijack the thread, but this website may be of use to some people

Im acutally doing the same sort of work. I have never used any kind of shell veneer or had it in my hands, but i was thinking, taping off my “logo” that i want, glueing in down, and maybe put it in a light vac, then use a very sharp razor to trip the edges, ill be ording from here, and based on the colours, the “ThinLam” Laminates im most interested in.

http://www.hawaiilure.com/catalog/shells.html

just have to make sure its compatible with epoxy.

dave

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Here we Go! Almost done…

Gold leafing was tough to do. Just three more steps to have the board done:

Fin box, leash plug, and an awesome polish.

Thank for all the help and thoughts.

Gerry

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Just to show

be super careful- the gold leaf will want to lift. I used wax paper to keep it down.


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I started to reply but hesitated… now I see a certain someone is going about some advice, I’ll lay out a little bit of what I’ve found.

First off, I have not applied any of this to an actual board due to cost. If I had a person request it, I’d oblige, however the material is pretty spendy to just whip out some boards for the racks in el surf shop.

So I made a few test panels. Since it was basic R&D I didn’t take process pictures, however it is all a lot more simple than people would think.

First off, lets jump to a laminated surface. It’s sticky and gummy to sand, however with some 40 then 60 grit sand the area a bit to where you want to apply the shell inlay material. Take measurements or whatever and make some reference points, guide points to get your desired end result placement of the shell inlay material. I used a pencil.

Now go ahead and move on and get ready for your sand coat glassing schedule. start with the areas that you sanded and use a brush to completely saturate that area first, but not too thick. Then place your shell material, use your guide points. This gets tricky, you don’t want your material to slide about, but It’s not too much trouble after you add more resin on and around the shell inlay material. Finish up the rest of the board. Sand out any raised area left from the shell inlay material/ extra resin in the shell areas. Shell material is available thin enough, that after a good sand job It all blends perfectly.

Most people gloss coat this type of project too, to really make that pain in the ass shell inlay pop.

I don’t use any glues or adhesives. Just the resin. One very good reason is that you don’t want any void spacing between the lam coat and sand coat with that shell material. Bubbles, delamination’s, and such. I just played around with scrap foam, and some logos.

Pinlines will be tougher, larger panels real tricky, and doing rail wraps that’s a whole’nother story!

All this information was gathered via composite engineers at my workplace and my Cousin who does very intricate shell inlays on mandolins, guitars, and fishing rods.

PEACE!

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Looking forward 2 the ride report.

bro

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beautiful work mate.

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Ask away- “Wisdom is nothing if it is not shared”

I basically did a few layers of resin, here is the break down:

There is more than one way to do it, but here is mine:

First add the layer of glass and resin.

After that add a very light coat of resin to level it up and sand it a little.

Then add your gold-leaf or what ever you want to lay in, use the same resin type to hold in the gold (other glues cause contamination) . Side note, I used wax paper to level down my gold leaf and it smeared but it was very small (practice on a small piece).

Next, pinstripe a way, use acetone to remove mistakes.

Then the trick. Use resin to hold it all in, just the area you worked the pinstripe, and gold-leaf. But only brush in on once and do-not brush it again. I only brushed it once and on my practice sets it never smeared. But if you bush it a few times it will be smeared and be messy! Let dry. Do it in sections if you have to.

Find the misses hit again. Let dry, then sand.

Finally, add a layer of resin/sanding and your GOOD TO GO.

Gerry

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I need help finding this type of leaf.

It is on the upper left the “Blue Abalone Leaf,” but what is the real name of it?

Any Ideas?

Oh yeah, I saw it for $32.00 for a sheet, but that cannot be it, or is it? It has to be leafy, flexible, and not the tough hard to bend sheet.

Oh yeah, I looked up www.la-dore.com for this type of leafing and they did not have it-, the only thing close was their “Variegated Blue.”

Thanks-

Gerry

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Oh yeah, the ride report on this one:

It is really slow when paddling out, but once on the wave it cuts and turns well.