dead shaper thats what I loved about walker it shaped like you explain,and is probably better now even a surform with a original (non microplane) blade on it shapes it like sandpaper and we all no how roug of marks a surfore leaves behind I myself are practicing using one less…Oh and another thing the dust dosnt have that oily stick to ya fell although it still is messy
SD…I’ll donatethe first $50 to the cause if others will jump in for this…consider it a non profit (501c3?) foundation for the art.
BTW.here’s an updat on the 9’3" MOWSES I shaped and I’m now glassing with a group of 7.
Raw blank weigh in: 12.99 lbs.
Finish Shape: 5.775 (very high performance 9’0.5" stinger shortbd in disguise:
9’0.5"x16.5Nx21.0WPx12.7T W/Sting 34"upand 19.5" before cut in.
Thinckness NOse 1-5/16" Thinckest Pt. 2-9/16" Tail 1-3/8".
Rail profile: Thin high performance shortboard rails.
Bottom: Hourglass concave single to double w/rolled vee with planing rails.
With Bottom Glass before layup (dry):
Single layer 4 oz E glass w/44" of 4 oz. Warp break patch …6.410 lbs.
Slightly resin rich layup by yours truly…8.175 lbs.
Rails yet to be filed…TO BE CONTINUED.
I got an order today to cut 15 boards from a customer with Ice Nine. I’m not sure that the new TDI formula is even available for full production? He must of read your tread? There’s a lot of hype being generated from this blog.
SD…is it “hype” or is it a reaction to something good?
Is the formula available? Pick up the phone and call them. I’ve already told them this is what I want to shape. Will the board I shape disintegrate? The cells were tight and the thumb test impressive. Funny that the stuff didn’t dent as easily as another MDI foam I had shaped earlier last year.
Was Terry Martin “hyped”…well hell yes. Good reason for it too.
I hate that word…it implies something without merit to me…like anything that Paris Hilton has ever engaged in…what happened to her ‘hyping’ a trip to Rwand…it’s hype, she sure ain’t Oprah.
Sp pick up the phone, email, or use carrieir pidgeon for that matter and order the foam…tell them Bruce wants some too…but they already know that.
Last question…if the guy is having them machined then aren’t they 90% shaped anyway? I figure he has so much of the board done he can have them milled in old reject cheddar cheese if he wants…you tell me.
DS - Sorry for using the word “hype” so loosly. I was just expressing the response
that being generated from this tread. I think it’s with merit. Don’t shoot the messenger!
I did call and see about the new formula and I will comply to the customers request.
It will take about a week to process an order.
As far as finish shaping from a machine please note that bad foam is bad foam.
You don’t want to finish bad foam even if it’s 90% finished like on my machine.
Most machined boards are about 70% processed in production shops with the Brazillian Machines.
When you feed your family by finish shaping and your paid piece work you need foam
that shapes out nice regardless. For example:
3 boards a hour x $18.00 (Shortboard) = $54.00 per hour - Good Blank Quality
2 boards a hour x $18.00 (Shortboard) = $36.00 per hour - Lesser Quality Quality
1 board per hour x $18.00 (Shortboard) = $18.00 per hour - Seconds (You don’t save money using seconds)
Besides that who wants to pay all that money to glass a finish blank made with bad foam?
Believe me you need good material to mill regardless if your using a Skill 100 or a CNC machine.
Surfding…thanks for the ‘illumination’. To be honest, my subtext was half attitude…yes, I’m capable of taking a dig now and then! I guess I would be willing to be bored shaping if it was for $54/hr…not sure how many guys are really achieving that.
I think Gibbons was, and the rumors I heard were the guys in the Burton office were p/o’d he was making a lot more than them. Sorry, but if I were president, I’d pay the shaper more than the paper pushers too! When there were vacancies for their operation I had some dialogue with one of their girls and she was pushing hourly instead of piecework. Hmmmmmm. They do offer benefits, but I have my own thru the airlines.
On a more fun note, here is the nearly full history of the 9’3" MOSES blank:
Started as a blank…12.990 lbs.
Finish Shaped: a very high performance shortboard
in disguise. … 5.775
Bottom Glass: (1) 4 oz & 44" v-c "breakpatch 4 oz warp
glass with 4" wide stagger laps, before resin… 6.410
Bottom lammed w/logos slightly resin rich… 8.175
Rail filed and basted… 8.475
Deck glass 4/4 oz very wide “glasser’s nightmare”
staggered overlaps dry w/logos… 9.490
with resin…11.055
Okay, at this point my target weight was 12.0 lbs. . So I put my thinking cap on because I was rapidly approaching going over. So here we go.
Hotcoat taped lap only on deck.(Leave a textured deck)… 11.150
Lam baste for sharp edge 34" to stinger cut… 11.370
Hotcoat Bottom rich on perimeter skimpy thru center… 11.935
So there’s where I’m at…sanding may keep me under 12 lbs but I still have to drop FCS inserts and a leashcup in. I think I can pull it off and come in around 11.685. If I can then I will go ahead and squeegee a sealer coat over the deck weave although I left it a bit resin rich so I was fighting any air overdrying it out…so I could pass on that.
Finished weight later today. I don’t count fins as they vary from day to day. There is no center box as the fins he uses are so small in the board (both side and center) that people have repeatedly told him “that won’t work”. Then he paddles out and blows their minds…smaller the fins the faster you go. (NOTE final weight came in at 12.430, I could’ve gone lighter mixing microspheres into the laminates and skrimping more here and there but that’s still fairly light for a TDI longboard).