Ideas needed for Surf Etiquette Article

Chasinglefts- I think a little Miles Davis would go miles (pun intended) in chilling everyone out. I enjoy hip hop, and metal, but a little Davis, Coltrane pre-surf adds depth and reflection to the whole experience.

Uncle D- Thanks for posting the Bill of Rights… Im living in Mexico currently, and I can never access Surfline.com. Probably some sort of sign, a good one Im thinking. Thanks!

Ambrose- Wow, I am quite honored to have the poet laureate of Swaylocks chime in on this post. Your presence is much appreciated and welcomed. Your words gave me much food for thought. I had to laugh at myself reading this:

the biggest wave hog wrote the rule book then systematicly

broke all the rules

and thought sure everybody would buy in to his exceptions

on account of he was exceptional surf guy…

I can be a wave hog and have to catch myself at times doing this. Perhaps I need to pay attention to my own “etiquette”, eh? The self as the teacher… I have no aspirations to be the enforcer, maybe a conduit of the quieter messages—but more important?—not screamed by the feral surf rats and aggro enforcers. Thank you Ambrose, your insightful words offered much needed reflection in all this, the BIGGER picture.

ChasingLefts- This is a sort of labor of love deal for me at the moment that I’m doing to help build content for a pre existing website. I don’t quite want to give out the URL since its not quite where I want it to be. But I promise once its polished up and posted I will share it with everyone here.

If no one in Mex can access Surfline i think i know where i’ll be taking my next sojourn. been wanting to visit friends in CR, Panama, Colombia, and Chile anyway, so maybe a ride down the pac coast is in order, albeit a very, very long ride.

I can respect not giving up your site till it’s done. keep us informed. Karma is on your side for doing anything positive for surfers/surfing.

J.

i cant say much about the rules

but as far as ettiquett goes

try this

save up a stinky bacon fart for when you paddle out in a seam sealed wettie

drop your guts and work the fart bubble up to your wrist .

release when shaking hands with locals.

smile

Paul,

Sounds like you have done that before. With some good results?

silly,

This ones for you.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6304447980554417691

Classic.

My surf experience is lessened more by those who are good surfers, but jerks, than it ever is by clueless newbies. (and my local spot is newbie kook central).

I’m going to object vehemently to rule #4 or at least the way it is worded. The leash is not a convenience device!!! I’m suprised no one has objected to this definition before. I see way too many surfers totally depend on their leash- they end their ride by diving off their boards (even some good surfers do this) or just letting it twang. They bail their boards whenever they get caught inside, even on small waves. I sat on the beach one day watching the action apalled by the use of leashes. It was like everyone was totally depending on their leash.

To me the leash is a safety device, a last resort backup when all your attempts to control and hold on to your board have failed. I only use my leash when the waves are very large or there are rocks on the shore. At my local beachbreak I almost never use it. On the average day I don’t lose my board but maybe once. They are surfers who would lose their board every wave if it wasn’t for their kook cords.

Also tell the beginners that if they’re surfing at an uncrowded spot (which they should be looking for anyways) they too should surf without a leash. They will learn alot faster when they have to swim every time they eat it. they will learn to duck dive if they can’t bail their board. They will learn control. They will learn respect. They will learn.

Leashes (and funboards), someone once said, paved the way for mass incompetence in the lineup. i say lose 'em!

“Wear a leash but surf as if you aren’t”…

And:


This came from the Chrispy’s learn to surf faq. What was weird was this was one of the first Intenet things I got for surf tips:

Why do you want to surf? For women substitute guys for chicks.

So you want to learn how to surf. Why?

    1. Because surfers get the chicks, man.   

            Well, yeah, we do. By the truckload. But that's no 

            reason to spend a lot of time and effort in the water.

            Just buy the clothes and read alt.posers 

    2. Because I'm a big fan of Baywatch.

            Um, yeah well, its like this: 

                    IT'S A TV SHOW!!! IT'S NOT REAL!!! 

    3. Because pro surfing is gonna be my ticket out of this little

       nowhere town.

            Just what town is this? 

    4. I dunno, it seems like it might be kinda fun.

            dingdingdingdingding - We have a winner, read on.

always surf with a smile on your face and laugh every once and awhile.

talk to strangers and give compliments and encouragement when due…

respect the ocean

respect the sport of kings…

a little goes a long way in cleaning up the line up…

don’t make it too complicated

and as far as them “d**m ding strings”…

try going over the falls on a 4’ hawaiian scale wave holding on to your board with one hand by the fin…

or popping up at rocky’s to almost have you eye popped out by you board snapping back from your home made surgical rubber and cord “leash” attached to a hole drilled in the back of your fin… Been there done that '71-'74…

I actually used to enjoy the swim in trying to body surf and outrace your board as it hurled toward the rocks…

surfing was way more fair and balanced to the talent you possessed riding the wave (not the board) pre-leash…

riding the wave not the board… now think about that one for a minute…

Oneula,

Bullseye! Aloha!!

Quote:
Excellent, excellent point. I’m gonna ditch etiquette

Errr…I understand the concept behind this but the fact is that etiquette, manners, whatever you want to call it encompasses the basics of civility. Include “Respect” in there too.

When you have an ill-mannered, arrogant, disrespectful herd of people you are going to have nothing but problems. Disrespect and arrogance are signs of ignorance, and they also lead people to go into situations they are totally clueless about and seriously hurt themselves and put others who are more civic-minded at risk making unnecessary rescues.

I say leave the word “etiquette” in. If they can’t handle the pressure they can always beat each other on the head with sticks.

You can lead a man to city, but you can’t force civility…

keep the etiquitte bit, it’s very necessary

one of the very best things i ever saw was put out by the city of santa cruz a couple of years ago—full color total tale of why there should be a pattern to our behavior in the water, and so that all kinds of surfcraft can have FUN…

leashes? hummmm, swimming is fun but, in the middle of a crowded break? nah! it is fun to watch what happens when a swell breaks a bunch of leashes—too many are totally dependent upon them and can’t swim worth a lick

i also like nat young’s tribal laws as shown in the book surf rage.

If your getting held under don’t panic, just relax and you will float up to the surface.

(If you panic it will most likely bring you down towards the bottom.)

Opps. I guess thats not etique. But a good thing to know if your a beginner.

I love that story. My leash broke at a nice lined up beach break. Little over head, sunny, light off shores, perfect channel. Since I lost it taking a clean up set on the head, I was in the perfect spot to “take off” on the next set. There were only two others out, both locals - one so “heavy” they called him “the pirate,” lived in his truck and all that - anyway, those guys got washed in and were on their way back out as I, so freakin’ fortunate, dropped in on a perfect shoulder and made it quite a ways - considering how seldom I body surfed in those days - it was the greatest way to make good with those guys… they were right there in the channel and got so stoked they were hooting. I tied my leash in a knot in the channel and paddled back out. Which leads to surf idea I read about as a kid:

“Go for it (when you get the chance), and don’t blow it.”

If you surf competently, and don’t kook out, it will help you fit in. And all that other stuff too. Except the phone thing, as my lovely woman would like to know if I’m gonna just look for a bit, or be out for hours. It’s the least I can do. Taylor.

Sorry it took me a few days to reply to all your posts. I’m living in Mexico—soon to return to Santa Cruz—and it’s not always easy to make yourself sit in front of a computer for any lengthy period of time.

Thank you all for taking the time to come by here and add your two cents, it really is going to go a long way in helping me create something that will actually be effective in indoctrinating beginning surfers into our sport with the necessary level of respect and civility. This is by no means a thread ending post, but I just wanted to say: THANK YOU! Ok, now for some feedback, questions, etc.

Silly: lol, at the stinky bacon fart ploy. Maybe that can go in the appendix. That is seriously classic, though, thanks!

Lillibel: I’m afraid you might be misunderstanding what I’m trying to say. I actually agree with you 100%, and the wording is meant to imply that. Does anyone else think that the wording is ambiguous? My intention is to imply that a leash is in fact a convenience (defined as: the quality of being easy, useful, or of increasing comfort) and not something to be relied on as a safety device (e.g. seat belt, air bag, etc). The paragraph I have following that “tip” says almost word for word the advice you offer in your post. Thanks lillibel, comprehension is 99.9% of something like this, and I do not want to be misleading! J

Benny1: That chart is insane! Can you tell me where you found that? Something like that could go a long way in a guideline style article to explaining the etiquette of surfing. I know that most people learn visually, and words mean nothing. Thanks Benny!

Hiroprotagonist: thanks, that’s pretty classic. Seems like that’s the root of the “blue crush” phenomenon right there. Don’t know that I’m going to address that in my article, but its another perspective for sure. :slight_smile: Gracias.

Oneula: I am certainly trying to emphasize the importance of social graces in the water. I find that so many people go out, especially beginners, and sit stone faced facing the horizon. I know that I learned so much by being humble, smiling and asking dumb questions prefaced with the phrase, “I know your going to laugh at me, but….”

Nels: Your argument for keeping etiquette is quite strong. I am debating about keeping it and not. I guess its about conceptualizing your target audience, and I think your right, that you have to aim for the lowest common denominator the “ill-mannered, arrogant, disrespectful herd.” Thanks for your points Nels, I think you may find some of your ideas in the list, especially the bit about civic minded surfers and unnecessary rescues… EXCELLENT!! :slight_smile:

Walrus: Yeah ive seen that sign in SC. Id love to incorporate something similar to that in my article.

Surfstheword: Good bit of advice. Ill have to find a spot for it in there… though its not “etiquette” it seems fairly necessary. Don’t panic, stay calm. Especially if you happen to upset a surly local, haha, could be interchangeable from wipeouts to heavy social situations.

Taylor O: Good addition. I’ll be sure to include a section, tip on only going if you are fairly confident that you are going to make it. How many times have we all been out when someone keeps going and falling, and each time reasserts themselves to the front of the lineup! Not exactly the best way to ingratiate yourself as a beginner. Crucial! Thanks Taylor…

About the phone thing… I guess I’m just trying to address the issue of people calling every surfer they know when they recognize its firing. Maybe it’s a little farfetched, and I will have to think about how I phrase it. Understandably and with good reason people use their phone near the beach. So, we’ll see. I had in mind the car loads of Hondas with a flotilla of sponge longboards tied to the top and six guys, all on their cell phones screaming to their buddies while looking at the surf. Haha, that’s my rant, anyways…

Again, thanks everyone! Muchissimo gracias a todos aqui! Nos vemos…

Juicenosis

juicenosis,

Recently I saw a gut out in the lineup on a waterproof cell phone, and he was talking on it. Then I heard him say " yeah the waves are going off! Uh, hold on let me catch this next wave it’s a good one. True story.