Imagine....................no Heaven above.............or Hell below.

General Discussion
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And, after my accent to the light I see a corridor…a threshold.

I passed into it’s aura… first greeted by a warm tropical breeze…then the smell of sage plume the air.

Sand dunes and wild grass covered with scatterings of ice plants fill the landscape.

The sun was bright and proud in a royal blue… azure sky.

In the near distance… a familiar rivermouth,with perfect waves.

This was home I shouted!..as I completed my journey thru the light…The bark of a favorite dog…A line-up of people…A line so long that I could not see from one end to another…but yet, I knew everyone and could see there faces.

A comforting voice beckened me on ,Herbie! WELCOME HOME!!!..welcome home…we missed you VERY MUCH!!!

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Hi Herb,

Glad your still on this side of the threshold. Not everyone gets to come back. Mike

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what happened herb ?

what brought you back ? [ or was this a hypothetical situation ?]

whichever , I am glad you are still with us …

it was only yesterday that I was seriously thinking of resurrecting [pun intended] the “Herb, are you ok ?” thread]

ben

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heh…a pun…you’re so witty, chipper!

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"Now let the music keep our spirits high

And let the buildings keep our children dry

Let creation reveal it’s secrets by and by"

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Mike,

I was there…soooo hard to come back…but now that I’m back…I want to stay…a bitter/sweet deal.

My friends and family were the reasons…on both sides.

WOW,WHAT I COULD TELL YOU ALL !..but no need as you will make the same journey in your own time.

Let me say this…I believe time is running short in this world,so make it count,and live life to the fullest !!!

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Chips,

NICE TAKE-OFF PIC !!!

truly what brought me back was a voice…

…the same voice that welcomed me home, sent me back saying,“it’s not your time yet,you still have work to do.When you are finished,we will still be here to greet you in.It wouldn’t be home without you”.

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Few words, but complex images and ideas. You are a poet.

Don’t know what transpired in your life, but it appears you had a battle with existential plight and found the postive side of the experience - wisdom.

Take care.

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hi ya Herb, glad you are still here. We do have such a short time here as it is. Let us know when you can get back in the water, let’s trade a few.

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Hard to imagine Heaven without a glimpse of hell. I’ve seen that glimpse and life is now richer. Welcome back from wherever you were and enjoy the ride!

Richard

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Patrick,

In my life…in this world… I have found that time prevails…I have found truth in my time…to have faith.

The faith that I WILL go on after this world is over for me…after time is no longer prevalent.

…It has nothing to do with religon,governments or riches.

…but only faith will prevail.

…Faith,Family,Friends…You are my reasons… ALL of YOU.

There is a greater force at work here…have Faith.

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Amen

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wow !

were you in a hospital at the time herb ?

did the doctors [as well as the Great healer] bring you back ? C.P.R. ??

Do tell more …

cheers !

 ben

[on that journey too one day …]

" Chips,

NICE TAKE-OFF PIC !!!"

yep … who else but [7 times world champ]…

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I was in a mexican hospital,getting txs you can’t get here in the USA.

I was pronounced Dead after 35 min. of ACLS,This was an untoward effect from the tx.

Approximately an hour after being pronounced…I came to.

I will not be taking anymore txs of any kind ,anywhere,anymore.

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Whoa dude, insane! Glad to hear you’re ok and you have a new perspective on things . . . As usual your words are helping others as we try to figure our lives. Almost got it pinned. I have the right direction, the right ideas. But application of them is a different story.

Just gotta have faith . . . cool. I haven’t had any near death experiences, never had to knock on wood, but I have had life experiences that verify alot of what you’re saying. Though alot I’m still digesting . . . Thanks again!

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This is what I believe to be my third brush w/ death.

The first was in a hospital @ the age of 9.

The second was in a skatepark @ the age of 18

This one(the third is a charm) @ the age of near 49

All lead to the same place…but this last time revealed more of the"puzzle"(for lack of better terms) to me.

As I said,I could see all there faces and knew who they were @ the time,but now that I try," like the dickens" to visualize them,all I see in my mind is blank faces .Like sheets of skin covering them up…Even He doesnot want me to tell some details…it’s for the better I’m sure.

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I too live on faith. I had a heart attack surfing maxed out south shore in 1998. Had the same chest pains 4 times before that all while surfing big waves at different places. I guess the combined stresses of paddling as hard as you can and all the adrenaline pumping through my body was too much.

Life’s different now especially with the blood thinners and all the other meds. I found a renewed faith in the lord several years ago and thank him and all my Kupuna watching over me everyday.

When I surf, I surf with them, and I can’t tell you how much fun we have. I can’t explain it, but I’ve had some of the most incredible waves since then, and I always give thanks to them for that. I have the faith that they will bring good waves to me, and it seems to happen quite often. I give my brother a hard time because I catch 5 times more waves than he does, but then he doesn’t believe in the same things I do.

Gotta have faith. I’ve had more than my share of near death experiences in the first 39 years of my life. I don’t know how or why, but I managed to survive every time. I believe there is a reason for that. Here I am 8 years later, still going like the energizer bunny. I like to compare life to surfing, you get some great rides, and then you get some pretty nasty wipeouts.

Keep the faith!

Aloha,

Harry

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HELL EXPLAINED BY CHEMISTRY STUDENT

The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so “profound” that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well:

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle’s Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving.

I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let’s look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.

With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle’s Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1: If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2: If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, “It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,” and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen

over.

The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct…leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting “Oh my God.”

THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY “A”