In Defense of How to Build Your First Surfboard

IN DEFENSE OF HOW TO BUILD YOUR FIRST SURFBOARD

Well…as some here would say, “Surfersteve is stupid,” but in my defense, “at least I’m ugly!”  Although I am generally not a fan of forums, and despite the criticisms, I like Swaylocks.  It is the best of it’s kind, populated by many innovative, and helpful builders.  Swaylocks seems to operate in the highest order of Internet tradition – open information…and, what is better; it is almost always done in a very pleasant and cooperative manner.  A number of enjoyable hours have been spent here being amazed and instructed.  Thanks to the introducers of novelty – you are a rare breed.  I wish I could surf with you or watch you build a board.

Mostly, Swaylocks members have been kind to How to Build Your First Surfboard  - thank you.  Also, I want to thank those who have repeatedly attacked the site.  It has a benefit not foreseen – the amounts of nuisance emails have lessened (frivolous browsers not building a board).   So…please continue.  You are helping me, and insuring that who ever follows your advice will do everything in a conventional manner.  This need not be taken as a criticism, as most builders would prefer a replica of a conventional production board.  And so…for most builders, the critics may be a better source than How to Build Your First Surfboard.

The book was intended for the one percenters – the few weirdo’s who want a guide to help them build simply and cheaply, with emphasis on eliminating the common mistakes of first time builders…for someone willing to substitute manual labor for power tools…for someone more interested in a functional surfboard than peer approval…for someone with a long attention span and a sense of commitment. For the one percenters, despite the criticisms, the surfersteve site may still have value, and so, if you need help, or want to recommend help, consider reading on.

As the title states, the book is for first time builders.   It is written so a person anywhere in the world, with no knowledge of surfboards, with no other information, can build a functional surfboard.  Over ten thousand emails suggest those who simply read carefully, practice, and follow the numbers, seem to never ruin their materials.   This is mostly because the site has been edited so often, in response to so many emails.  It seems no one else in the world has been exposed to the problems of the first time surfboard builder as much as the author.  Maybe this exposure along with many years of supervising people on construction sites, gives the author a unique perspective.

 Please allow a few suggestions to people wishing to help first time builders:

  1. Be very specific.  Do not give too many options.  First time builders want to know exactly (specifically) what to do.  Example:  1-6oz. “E” cloth top and bottom with a 6oz. deck patch – minimum.
  2. Pick one favorite source as a referral (not necessarily surfersteve), preferably a site that specializes in first time building. Advising first timers to archive the forum often results in confusion – how can they know what to believe?    Please, do not refer them to youtube or time edited sites where professional builders using power tools make it look deceptively easy. 
  3. Write your own guide for first time builders and make it available on Swaylocks.  Maybe this could be a compilation of the most applicable posts.

    It may be that many things in the book are of questionable
    merit.  Most of the criticism is of
    items in the Misconceptions or Tips chapters, which are controversial,
    opinionated, for general interest, and not in the how to body.  This is expected, as the site directs
    browsers there immediately – to MISCONCEPTIONS.  It is interesting that the criticisms come from areas that will
    take less than three minuets to get to – this is supposed to be the average
    attention span in America now.  The
    SMALL WAVE DESIGN is attacked most. 
    This is curious, as many surfers are now wave riding SUPs that are
    equally wide and thick.  Many items in
    the book that were criticized for being stupid nine years ago are now conventional
    wisdom, such as; polystyrene foam and epoxy (forced into acceptance by
    default).  It seems it only takes a few
    brave people to try something new, and post something positive somewhere, then
    it quickly spreads, otherwise it remains untried, and is called weird.   The book has a plethora of strange items
    that will work well when tried, but the weirdo’s trying them tend to not care
    what people think, tend to come from areas outside popularized surfing areas,
    and tend not to frequent forums. Also, these items do not make money for
    anyone.

 What value would the book have if it agreed with everything else written?

 Although it has been said that surfers are non-conformists, could it be we are stuck in a consensus trance?  We are all copiers, and anyone who builds even a few inches outside conventional surfboard dimensions is soon negatively attacked. 

 How would we be surfing if Duke Kahanamuku taught us we had to surf standing on our heads? 

When browsing the web for information on what a beginner needs to build a surfboard (including Swaylocks) the conventional wisdom (what comes up most often) is:

  1. Spend $60 on videos showing how professional builders make boards using power tools.
  2. Browse the Swaylocks Forum, or use advice by an author advocating mostly conventional production techniques.

The following are common surfboard production tools:  Hitachi planner - $379.,  Milwaukee sander - $245.,  foam pad - $41. Ryobi router - $100.

This amount of expense should make any first time builder hesitate.  Consider how many personal boards must be made to make it worthwhile.  Although these items will make it more likely the builder will have a finished product close to a showroom board, it is also more likely to cause him to ruin his materials.  It is hard to ruin a board with hand tools and/or a low speed drill, and How to Build Your First Surfboard is free, with email backup for users committed to it.

Browsing the Swaylocks Forum tends to result in confusion for the first time builder.  Eventually he often decides that what is recommended most is most correct.  Although what is recommended most may be most correct for production building, maybe something different is preferable for a beginner.  This is apparent after reading numerous emails similar to the following:  “I followed the advice on Swaylocks and now my resin hardened before I got the rails wrapped.”

How to Build Your First Surfboard is not meant to appeal to regular contributors of Swaylocks – you guys are far beyond it generally, however, please allow me to beat the following criticized ideas into the surfing consciousness, and allow you one more chance to argue about it:

  1. Build using more cloth and/or denser foam than used on conventional (custom production) boards – the custom board business is damaging their future sales by making disposable products.
  2. Disregard the flexibility debate. Consider the possibility that durability is more important  – about 2 lbs. of extra resin and cloth is the difference between a disposable board and one that will last indefinitely. 
  3. Consider the possibility of trying (just trying!) a wider and/or thicker board.
  4. Wonder if it may be true, that a surfboard need not have the tail depressed into the water in order to turn.  Yes, it can be turned with the board relatively flat on the water with a twisting, (swiveling) motion.  This allows for a very wide tail, with fins about 9” more forward, at about 70 degree rake (more upright and more narrow, with straight edges – a parallelogram) – allowing the rider to turn and plane from about a foot further forward, with relatively little loss of speed.
  5. Disregard the cosmetics – a surfboard need not appear as furniture, and the majority of surfers smear wax over it anyway.
  6. Be a weirdo who drinks electric koolaid (the loveable John Mellor, pauluk, Damon Pieri, Onuela, Mattress, and da5id brand) and consider the possibility of trying the following:
    1. Try the simple math formulas for rocker and board size adjustments.  
    2. Make you own fins from cheap cedar fence wood.
    3. Use a drill as foam shaping tool, router and sander.
    4.  Try epoxy resins from uscomposites.com – especially the clear coat epoxy (thick, but works well), and the 635 slow (summer only) epoxy (both much cheaper than the excellent rr2000 or ss2000).  Note:  the manufacturers’ wholesale base product price for epoxy is much closer to polyester than the retail price usually reflects (the reformulators are thinning epoxy with cheap phenols - see their MSDS - and raising their price).   While viewing any MSDS on epoxy hardener, note that it is not safe without ventilation or a respirator.
    5. Drill or puncture 1/8” – 3/16” holes, 1 –2” apart in blank, in damage prone areas (heel dent areas), and fill with dowels, or resin, to bond top and bottom laminates together.
    6. Make racks with slits cut in 5 gallon buckets, covered with pipe foam and masking tape.
    7. Use 30lb. roofing felt for templates (can be rolled up).
    8. #12 or #16 grit sanded traction finish – “Owee, my skin will disappear!” 

You can help first time builders by constructively criticizing the book.   Please send specific, constructive criticism (yes, please do) to steve@surfersteve.com, or leave it here (although it may not be seen for many months) – this will improve the book.   Although some here have said it is, “laughably bad, littered with nonsense, unreasonable, not credible, off the wall, silly, lost, and worth what you paid for it (free)”, tens of thousands of builders, from New Guinea to Nova Scotia, have been thankful, despite its shortcomings, to have it when building their first surfboard.  Please help improve it.

In conclusion, I thank my detractors, as you have now made me part of a wonderful thing - the Swaylocks family.  Swaylocks is a great site – the best forum site I have seen.  I respect and admire the inventive rascals on Swaylocks, but… is it beyond the realm of the first time builder?

 

Thats an odd post, but entertaining and informative.  I did read your online book before I built my first board.  I read a kayak builders website on glassing too, crazy loon, or something like that, which was pretty helpful.  But I got most my info from tree-2-sea, since my first board was a hws.  I don't recall the details of your book, I suppose I never made it past the 3 minute mark LOL.  There must be some history here - I don't remember seeing your book mentioned favorably or otherwise on Swaylocks.

I'm a bit puzzled.  I guess you might have been offended by some posters here?  You write a lengthy post in defense of your e-book, then say you won't be back for many months to check on your thread.  If so, sorry to hear it.  I'm sure we'd all love to hear more from you.  Thanks for stopping by, thanks for the props to the community here.  Carry on.

Steve,

Glad to see you here.

I built a few surfboards as a teenager in Houston in the late 60s and early 70s.  I’ve visited your site/on-line book looking for information in recent years.  I found it informative and helpful, especially for those who don’t have shops fully outfitted with all kinds of power tools.  As a teenager, I built my boards with a Craftsman orbital sander, a handsaw, a single-edged razor blade, a knife,  scissors, a squeegee and a paintbrush or two – my glassing and sanding racks were trash cans. I used steel wool to polish.  I taped pieces of poster board together and drew grid lines on them to make templates.  That was all I had or could afford after buying a blank at BJ’s surfshop (next to the old Bilao’s and the army surplus store on Katy Frwy) and cloth/resin/pigment at Industrial Waterproofing.  BTW I used 6 oz top and bottom with a 4 oz deck pad.

I have more money these days but less space and fewer power tools.  However, I’m not going to spend $700-800 for power tools so I can make 2 or 3 boards.

I gaurantee there are many who appreciate your efforts.  I know I do. I still find your tips and insights useful.  Sometimes it’s easier to get information from your site than to get answers here – and I’ve been lurking here for several years.  I wouldn’t sweat much about those who don’t find your site of value…  plenty do.

Keep up the good work for the average guy.  Hope to see you around here more often.

Hang loose.

Steve,

I still own a hard copy of your guide. At the time it was the only guide I could access without 30min drive into the city to use a computer in an internet cafe.

It helped get me started! Many thanks

Kon

Hi Steve -

I have referred people here to your site and Anthony's Board Building site as great sources of information for board building.  As both sites change periodically, I refer back to each to catch up once in awhile.

Your design theories on small board designs make perfect sense to me and I've mentioned your dimensions here before.  The drywall screw thingy idea to induce rocker?  Brilliant!

Again, I would recommend that anyone check Steve's site as well as Anthony's board building site for some great to-the-point information.

I love you too man!  HAHA

 

I started to build my own boards a few years ago and the information you have compiled on your site was invaluable! I still bookmark it on every computer and refer to it often! 

Glad that I have the opportunity to say...Thank You!

 

I managed to get a third hand photocopy from somewhere ages ago, copied it and passed it around here in Perth, I think Chip got a copy as well.

It was easy to follow and provided some great examples.

Board building is like making a sponge cake, everyone has their own way of doing it but they all use the same basic ingredients.

Any information is better than none. Thanks for the book.

Hello Huckleberry, BgSurfer, retrothis, johnmellor and Hicksy,

 

Thank You.  What a welcoming site Swaylocks is!  My reluctance to post seems unfounded as the storm of arguing I imagined has not ensued. 

Huckleberry…surfersteve has 92 results in the general forum search.  It is expected some people will not like it.  I accept this.  The main purpose of the post is to promote more helpful replies to first time builders, to ask for constructive criticism (privately), and to foster innovation.

A conservative, conventional trend has been developing the last few years on Swaylocks.  Maybe this is inevitable as a site matures, but it is disturbing to note how predictably anyone who proposes to build outside the norm is criticized into conformity.  The few who, in the past, have stood guard against this, seemed to have tired of the effort.  I promise to help occasionally, but…is there a regular contributor who will promise to stand guard against conformity?  Has anyone else noticed this?

I couldn't get thru all the script on this thread but I sure have enjoyed the surfersteve board building site, its about the same as all the tips we get on swaylocks, real good.  Thank you for adding a whole lot of board building instruction to the cyber community. John C. San Diego

"Consider politely telling a select few that they should think about the possibility of not building a board.  The average American now has a short attention span, revulsion for physical labor, and a wavering sense of commitment - disastrous qualities for a board builder. "

Steve Steve Steve. You babble on and on and then insult many Proud Americans like me. Your point is what? That we need to look at your web page?

For all the first time builders that made it this far....Learn to do ding repair first. Work it from there. That's just my opinion.

Did I spell that right?

I don't have a web page. Or a blog. And yes Steve, I done many threads to help beginners. Did you read the epoxy thread?  Would you like help with the search function? Key word "Epoxy". Posted by Guywhocantsurf.

Please keep your body parts to yourself.....Kind of sick really.....

 

Stingray

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Hello Huckleberry, BgSurfer, retrothis, johnmellor and Hicksy,

Thank You.  What a welcoming site Swaylocks is!  My reluctance to post seems unfounded as the storm of arguing I imagined has not ensued. 

...A conservative, conventional trend has been developing the last few years on Swaylocks.  Maybe this is inevitable as a site matures, but it is disturbing to note how predictably anyone who proposes to build outside the norm is criticized into conformity.  The few who, in the past, have stood guard against this, seemed to have tired of the effort.  I promise to help occasionally, but…is there a regular contributor who will promise to stand guard against conformity?  Has anyone else noticed this?

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I dunno about the last few years - I only arrived off the turnip truck a little over a year ago.  But I have seen a pretty wild diversity during that time.  Longboards, shortboards, trunk boards, thick boards, thin boards, step decks, alaias, finless, inverse fins, single fins, twin fins, thrusters, sidebites, quads, 5 fins, 6 fins, hws, compsand, homemade, factory made, even paddleboards have shown up here and been pretty well received.  Lotsa "outside the box" thinkers here.

Not quite sure where your observation is coming from.  Yes, conformity and peer pressure are human traits that can become pesky when out of balance.  And since people are pretty passionate about their surfcraft, opinions do bump elbows here from time to time.  But its all pretty civilized, really.  Not like Jerry Springer or anything.  At least not very often.  hahaha.

SkinRay, SkinRay … SkinRay

You are an enigma.

The Rat openly insults you personally but that’s OK – because he is a pro builder?

Mr. Steve fired back a “general” rebuttal to attacks / insults he feels he received from several swaylockians … and you are offended.

“Locals Only Brah.”

I got into shaping after seeing friends get custom boards ordered… Got the idea, and I took it a step farther. I asked the shaper if I could watch him shape my board. He said ok, so I went there at his shaping rm on time. Anyhow, I was 16 at the time and just paid attn to detail, even asked a few questions as to why he would do this or that as he shaped-without disturbing him… That lesson there I got stuck with me for ever! I re-live it often btw, it was my first lesson on shaping a surfboard even though I didn’t know it.
For me that exp was my lesson and a big part of how I got started. What happened next was my friend had gotten a free board from his uncle which was damaged, and he was debating repairs. But then he said,“jim do you think you can shape a board?” I thought for a min, and yeah I think so! He then said, " let’s strip it- you can shape this as your first board!" :smiley:
But I didn’t have any tools hardly… But I had enough! I had a handsaw, pencils, a rular, a surform and a wood block and sand paper! It was enough to carve out a fantastic looking board! My first board was 6 foot or 6’1"x20 or 20.5" wide I forgot?
I recall I just accentuated the nose and tail rocker to fit my needs… I blended all the lines to fit in with eachother… I also scrubbed in some vee in tail block… Kinda scrubbed it in about a foot or so up of tail in panels…or panelish sections, then blended it into bottom… Made knifey edges at bottom back of board bout a third up from tail. Rest of board a gave a slight rolled corners middle on up I suppose? Never got to ride as my friend had it glasssed and his bro took it over! Apparently it surfed very well. I then built one more for him-just for free! And built a 5’9 tri fin for $65.00 bucks for another friend. Lol that’s my story and now I’m shaping my own this time! :smiley:

“Reality is what we perceive it to be. One surfer’s reality may vary from another’s.” - saying from a Surfer

I am sorry Stingray.  I deleted the offending parts.

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I am sorry Stingray.  I deleted the offending parts.

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Hello Steve. Don't be sorry. No need to delete.

I help people. You help people. Ghettorat help's people. Some people don't get it. I should have contacted you via PM but I spoke my mind. I think you understand. After all the dust settles the simple fact remains.....You help people...and that's a good thing. Thanks for the reply....Ray....

Sorry if I offended you....Sometimes I Speak before I think....

     Howzit stingray, Well said and I have always felt that we vets are here to help those that need it. I am so impressed with some of the boards that members build when doing their first boards and we have been a part of it and that makes me proud to be a sway guy. Aloha,Kokua