Joel Tudor's new label

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well I think…

  1. j.brother has impressed me in the past.

  2. he gave me acopy once whilst I was a spy from the house of love at the BIG SHOW

3.surfing is…did I get the right amount of dots?

4.the three decades of self absorbed’'progressive ''diversion has created a cultch whithin a cult based on promotion and conspicious growth based on travel and miniturization>to facilitate travel.

5% solution —the → return to alternative diciplines

to break the birth sack

to regain lost innocence

is the case.

lenny,what you say is truth

the underbelly has been actively surfing the spectral diciplines for ever

the clip is jus your basic point and shoot pipeline

now thats from the beach through the lens and toodie doing the jerry dance

most likely from the jerry boil.

all that stuff is cut and dried akule.

the fact that tthere is norwegian lox

and beluga and foie gras

is well taken

your words do not fall on deaf ears.

we essentially are in no position to control the drift

only to watch.

these commercial attempts

at bending the light stream

are fun to watch

the act is driven by the fact that N.Y. had a good summer I hear

lotsa small fun surf all summer said stevie white’s brother.

the world of surfing alternatives

driven by meteorological

and cosmic forces has the greatest effect on Us All.

nice to hear the Gee Whiz Land clan having a good time

but the limits always remain.

S/B is a turn right and go just like G.Whiz is turn left and go.

to arg this point is such familiar fodder

the ultimate result in the end is to grow

older

wiser

and mostly

appreciative

the magic comes to each of us

in meted amounts.

to claim been there

is of passing value.

to be there

without the booming voice from behind the curtain

is the noblest goal. This was a frank baum revelation.

surfing as theatre

and

surfing as experiential

rub shoulders occasionally.

so does surfing as commercial promotion…

the twain occasionally meets

when you are in the bliss

of paddling back out for one more

who gives a rodents anus.

…ambrose…

the next set wave is coming straight to you

ride it for me,I wont be there.

I am to absorbed wondering what this new board will

look/ride like.

Diff , if only toodie/and lennie could rde one of em

hee/he might enter the monastary as

a noviciate and renounce his worldly

pursuit of wealth.{you are dreamin’ fool}

beyond that-------

would that we all were

independantly supported

to persue the light.

attaining these lights

what solar systems would be birthed?

it boggles the crainium and

all other unused lobes.

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You can catch some of the waves sometimes, but you can’t catch all the waves all the time…Style is free…Cheers to JT new quiver

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fun is fun. long live fun!

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Lennox76 did ok too as far as quotable 1 liners: “just smooth surfing to groovy soundtracks”

Nothing wrong with that. Kinda my goal in life actually. Don’t need to prove my balls are bigger than yours or my rad is more bad than yours, Dad. Jaggy and jerky and oooooo look how bad he his just doesn’t really thrill me much. If you can’t feel the goodness in just the zen of smooth blend that’s ok. Have another cuppa and grind your teeth some more. I have a dentist friend and and a gastroenterologist friend and even a cardiologist friend who are waiting in line to serve you what and when you have need. Just say “Gaaaakkkkkk!!!”

Peace out from the groove lounge

Hahahahaha.

i love a smooth blend Doctor…I’m just saying there’s more to heaven and Earth than is dreamt of in JT’s philosophy…

It really is no prob for me…hell I’ve come home to a stinkbug infestation in my citrus trees…you ever seen those things? : spray you with a foul smelling liquid every time you go near the tree.

Now that is something to grind your teeth over.

Message to Tudor’s marketing team : how about updating the act? the late sixties/early seventies thing has pretty much been mined out; seems like J. Brother and T. Campbell got most of the diamonds first time around.

How’s about moving on to the early eighties?

As Solo pointed out singles were reaching a very high and functional state of development just prior and post thruster emergence.

To purposefully keep yourself stuck in a timewarp seems kind of demented to me (unless your making good money off it).

Looking at single-fin surfing from a near historical perspective and considering the track layed down by Cheyne, Joe Engel, Peter McCabe, Thornton Fallander, Bugs etc etc and a pretty heavy legacy of smooth, stylish , radical surfing and deep tube-riding and then looking at JT I just don’t get it…

There’s a whole world of surfboard design between what he’s riding and modern potato chips…why cripple yourself on purpose?

Money is the only reason I can come up with.

Again, I could give less than a rodents anus what anyone rides…just don’t understand the JT phenomena…well I do on the commercial level, just not the artistic one.

Steve

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Lennox76 did ok too as far as quotable 1 liners: “just smooth surfing to groovy soundtracks”

Nothing wrong with that. Kinda my goal in life actually. Don’t need to prove my balls are bigger than yours or my rad is more bad than yours, Dad. Jaggy and jerky and oooooo look how bad he his just doesn’t really thrill me much. If you can’t feel the goodness in just the zen of smooth blend that’s ok. Have another cuppa and grind your teeth some more. I have a dentist friend and and a gastroenterologist friend and even a cardiologist friend who are waiting in line to serve you what and when you have need. Just say “Gaaaakkkkkk!!!”

Peace out from the groove lounge

Hahahahaha.

i love a smooth blend Doctor…I’m just saying there’s more to heaven and Earth than is dreamt of in JT’s philosophy…

It really is no prob for me…hell I’ve come home to a stinkbug infestation in my citrus trees…you ever seen those things? : spray you with a foul smelling liquid every time you go near the tree.

Now that is something to grind your teeth over.

Message to Tudor’s marketing team : how about updating the act? the late sixties/early seventies thing has pretty much been mined out; seems like J. Brother and T. Campbell got most of the diamonds first time around.

How’s about moving on to the early eighties?

As Solo pointed out singles were reaching a very high and functional state of development just prior and post thruster emergence.

To purposefully keep yourself stuck in a timewarp seems kind of demented to me (unless your making good money off it).

Looking at single-fin surfing from a near historical perspective and considering the track layed down by Cheyne, Joe Engel, Peter McCabe, Thornton Fallander, Bugs etc etc and a pretty heavy legacy of smooth, stylish , radical surfing and deep tube-riding and then looking at JT I just don’t get it…

There’s a whole world of surfboard design between what he’s riding and modern potato chips…why cripple yourself on purpose?

Money is the only reason I can come up with.

Again, I could give less than a rodents anus what anyone rides…just don’t understand the JT phenomena…well I do on the commercial level, just not the artistic one.

Steve

Good points Lennox…its funny that Cheyne is still 12th in all time victories on the pro tour riding as single fin and folks go ga ga over Curren, Tudor and Machado riding singles as if it’s new. Not only singles, but the old variety we all wanted to improve when it’s all we had. Of course…I am sure they will hit the early eighties soon enough, if the money gurus can find a way to take credit for it or someone can figure a way to create that fad via a movie etc. </

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I don’t have any trouble understanding what JT’s doing.

Nor do I have any trouble understanding Chenye when he comes on here either. And I didn’t get bent out of shape like the moderators who locked him down. I recall I said so at the time too. I said let him speak. I’m not afraid to speak my mind either and as far as whether JT’s an innovator obviously opinions vary. Also depends on whether you’re talking style points or gear. As for style though he’s pidgen holed retro he’s fluid and yet maintains a fresh edge.

Regarding gear, his wetsuits are supposed to be among the best designed and constructed in the world. His fins are tweaked just the way he likes them and his boards have got to be tweaked o perfection by now. What else is there?

Come on it’s beach toys man. Why all the headbanging and ass scratching? It doesn’t matter. It’s his life afterall.

Give the man room to breath.

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I’m not afraid to speak my mind either and as far as whether JT’s an innovator obviously opinions vary.

Give the man room to breath.

Hey Mark, speak away mate. It’s a forum.

I respect your opinion.

If a bit of ass scratching on this forum is cramping JT’s breathing he’s got a problem.

Wouldn’t even be a blip on his radar mate.

Just a bit of harmless bellyaching about nothing of real import. Beachtoys as you say.

There’s plenty of other false idols doing real damage.

Steve

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It’s interesting to me the people that pop up and respond to certain thread topics. Our Australian friend from Lennox seems to have a thing for Joel Tudor. His metaphorical reference to Tudor, his surfing, and the people who enjoy watching his surfing and the current state of the USA is pretty damn goofy. The problem with people who wear their bigotry on their sleeves is it hurts their credibility when voicing an opinion that might be worthwhile. I don’t know many Aussies, but had the impression they were ‘straight shooters’ that told it like it is. If you don’t like the USA just write, ‘I don’t like the USA and and enjoy the difficulties and suffering it is causing.’ Personally, I’d have some respect for you if you did. Not to assume that respect from me, a complete stranger, is desired. Lennox, is it Tudor’s surfing that doesn’t impress you or is it a successful American surfer that bugs you? Tell the truth.

I like watching Tudor’s surfing. For awhile, anyway. There’s a pretty long list of others I prefer to watch including a bunch of Aussies. That pintailed board with the wide nose looked pretty interesting and I can think of a couple of spots around here that would be a blast to ride on a board like that. Just point and go. Most of the singles I had back in the day road like shit compared to most of my trusters. I do like my fishes as I get older, though. I enjoy watching Tudor pull into steep hollow waves on his fishes. That isn’t easy. Mike

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Jeez Mike, nothing personal against the US at all…as I’ve said before I was treated fantastically well there and have many good friends there.

Nothing personal against JT as a human being either.

I’m just making comments about JT as a phenomena, as a business, as an idol to be worshipped.

Despite my repeated comments to this effect it seems to really get people bent out of shape.

Why?

It’s a public forum and I’m not making personal attacks on him.

I’m making general comments about his role as a media phenomena and my opinion of his surfing in a historical sense.

Your more than welcome to disagree with me but why the vitriol ?

As for my general comments tying Tudor adulation to the decline of America it’s pretty obvious America has some hard times ahead (and my apologies if my comments caused unnecessary stress to anyone suffering)…the question is why.

Why do cultures thrive and then wilt?

History has some answers if you look hard enough and one of the most compelling is a period of mindless gluttony accompanied by a general weakness and decline in the vitality and innovation of a culture.

Maybe a long bow to draw but I see the obsession with nostalgia and retro as being symptomatic of this general malaise.

Again these are just my opinions and feel free to disagree with them but please, play the ball and not the man.

Steve

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Try again.

When I think of hard core surfers who are not out for recognition I think of Indo pioneers like Peter Troy (RIP) finding and surfing waves for the first time rather than G-land (who many nights/days package?) crew toughing it out with all the amenities and a peanut gallery to show off in front of.

“What do you mean you missed my last tube ride because you were videoing my girl friend sunbaking topless in the Zodiac. That’s not what I’m paying you for Nyoman…or is it, Made? Ok, ok, Wayan. Allright Ketut then. What do ya mean we’re in Java?”

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Kelly may be my favorite all time but

Aussie surfers rip beyond recognition. It’s true.

I like watching them. I like it when they come to visit

New Jersey, too. The ones I’ve met here have been very friendly outgoing and likeable. Lennox too is a likeable guy. He can keep saying what he likes whenever he likes and I will like it even more. Life would be boring if we didn’t have anything to say.

I like watching BMX street riders as much or even more than surfing. I know one former pro bmx rider who surfs a 70’s fish with flowing style. He knows a lot more about energy flow and projection than I ever will,

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No worries my friend. Keep talking. I’m all ears.

There is a really good (disturbing) book about “How societies choose to fail or succeed.” called Collapse by Jarred Diamond.

And if you want to talk social issues PM me.

That’s about all I’ve been talking lately.

Be glad to hear your point of view.

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at the end of the day it’s only surfing. c’mon friends, let’s all get along. & let’s let each other surf how they like to. open minds, open hearts, open spirits.

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at the end of the day it’s only surfing. c’mon friends, let’s all get along. & let’s let each other surf how they like to. open minds, open hearts, open spirits.

Many Americans are off the low float pointed nosed twiggs made popular by the last 20 years of surfing mags and their minds are now more open to different boards than ever before or at least in 30 years. Thats almost 100% to to the credit of Joel Tudor and his movement towards older equipment. Prior to that it was mostly seen as novelty or no accepted at all. I was selling nuggets and zaps all along and the interest now is because minds are open today than yesterday. I just wish Joel had chosen equipment that worked better… Modern singles will do anything old singles will do better if they have the proper planshape, thickness and rails. Thats jus a fact.

Joel has made a major contribution in my opinion. I am not sure in Oz.

I am with Lennox on Joel Tudor the business. It’s mostly the same old hype. Joel the surfer is ok. I think it’s way easier to relate to Tudor on any level than Slater as a surfer. Few think they can attempt what Kelly does. Many can relate to some of Joel’s moves.

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Thats almost 100% to to the credit of Joel Tudor and his movement towards older equipment. …I am with Lennox on Joel Tudor the business. It’s mostly the same old hype. Joel the surfer is ok. I think it’s way easier to relate to Tudor on any level than Slater as a surfer. Few think they can attempt what Kelly does. Many can relate to some of Joel’s moves

A solid case could be made that Joel Tudor is the most influential surfer of the past 20 years, period. It depends on how you choose to define influential. I would offer that anything other than Slater-style surfboards and tow-in boards can trace some lineage to Tudor influence. The people with intense commercial interests will say that contemporary cutting edge performance is tied to Slater and Hamilton…but if you go to any beach in 95% of the world what you will see dominating the lineups (more than 50%) is something we can relate to Tudor, which we could say is anything other than a tow-in board or something from the modern 6’2" thruster family.

Bearing in mind all the people mentioned are figureheads and others were involved in equipment etc. But they are the legitimate figureheads, for excellent reasons.

I am both amazed and curious how Tudor makes what apparently is quite a nice living given the cold shoulder the shorty surf world gives him. More power to him.

Nels

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Thats almost 100% to to the credit of Joel Tudor and his movement towards older equipment. …I am with Lennox on Joel Tudor the business. It’s mostly the same old hype. Joel the surfer is ok. I think it’s way easier to relate to Tudor on any level than Slater as a surfer. Few think they can attempt what Kelly does. Many can relate to some of Joel’s moves

A solid case could be made that Joel Tudor is the most influential surfer of the past 20 years, period. It depends on how you choose to define influential. I would offer that anything other than Slater-style surfboards and tow-in boards can trace some lineage to Tudor influence. The people with intense commercial interests will say that contemporary cutting edge performance is tied to Slater and Hamilton…but if you go to any beach in 95% of the world what you will see dominating the lineups (more than 50%) is something we can relate to Tudor, which we could say is anything other than a tow-in board or something from the modern 6’2" thruster family.

Bearing in mind all the people mentioned are figureheads and others were involved in equipment etc. But they are the legitimate figureheads, for excellent reasons.

I am both amazed and curious how Tudor makes what apparently is quite a nice living given the cold shoulder the shorty surf world gives him. More power to him.

Nels

It’s easy to see how his influence has grown by giving the cold shoulder to the shorty crowd. He has simply followed his own path and given some of moderate talent hope. You can cruise, look good with limited moves and just enjoy surfing Joel’s way. Not that you will look like Joel, but it’s easier to dream. Dreaming is half of it. The experience of being out there and leaving the cold harsh world on the beach.

You are in no way ever going to look like Slater unless your able to surf the tour sucessfully and even then…it would be depessing to see that thirty something just being a freak of nature if your new to the tour. Not to mention…the older you get wave count and fun become a factor. Shorties are too much work given the average work day. There are other options that will give you performance and float.

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At some stage in our aging process most of us have to face up to the fact that our bodies are not consistently (key word is consistently) allowing us to surf waves the way we did in our twenties and thirties.

This is where the ego of many get in the way. Aging pros still surf well…they just seem slow compared to the young guys. So the local ripper who was always a stand out has to face up to reality some time. You aren’t surfing 1/2 as good as you think you are.

Keep on surfing high performance shortboards in ordinary waves and the frustration can soon set in.

Riding more user friendly equipment that can lend itself more to flow than slash can put the fun back in and surely this is why most pursue waves.

So what’s out there to inspire us with a kind of surfing one can visualise as doing?

Guys like Tudor, Rasta and so on riding unconventional shapes and laying down smooth lines.

Good on him for inspiring outside the multi-national surfing companies boxes of packaged surf/lifestyle images of what we see as the way to ride a wave.

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Hi Steve,

I think you may have missed my point. When someone from another country makes reference to another country being in the gutter, in this case the USA, I think it is something personal against the USA. I really don’t care what your opinion of Tudor is. Your assessment of him is probably pretty accurate. I don’t even care if you believe the USA is in decline. It’s just an opinion. But, the USA in the gutter? What kind of shit is that on a surfboard design and discussion forum? I’m sure we all have opinions of other countries. Is this the place to post them? I have rather strong opinions of countries some of the Sways crew live in. Do I insult people that come here for information and fun because I don’t like their country? No, because it’s inpolite and not neccessary. Some of them I think of as friends and after 5 years of coming here I’ve come to respect them. Mike Jeez Mike, nothing personal against the US at all…as I’ve said before I was treated fantastically well there and have many good friends there.

Nothing personal against JT as a human being either.

I’m just making comments about JT as a phenomena, as a business, as an idol to be worshipped.

Despite my repeated comments to this effect it seems to really get people bent out of shape.

Why?

It’s a public forum and I’m not making personal attacks on him.

I’m making general comments about his role as a media phenomena and my opinion of his surfing in a historical sense.

Your more than welcome to disagree with me but why the vitriol ?

As for my general comments tying Tudor adulation to the decline of America it’s pretty obvious America has some hard times ahead (and my apologies if my comments caused unnecessary stress to anyone suffering)…the question is why.

Why do cultures thrive and then wilt?

History has some answers if you look hard enough and one of the most compelling is a period of mindless gluttony accompanied by a general weakness and decline in the vitality and innovation of a culture.

Maybe a long bow to draw but I see the obsession with nostalgia and retro as being symptomatic of this general malaise.

Again these are just my opinions and feel free to disagree with them but please, play the ball and not the man.

Steve

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Keep on surfing high performance shortboards in ordinary waves and the frustration can soon set in.

Riding more user friendly equipment that can lend itself more to flow than slash can put the fun back in and surely this is why most pursue waves.

My understanding is that Tudor hangs in some fairly major art circles…he may just have begun and evolved with a preferance to the side of style not precluded by the standard 6’2" thruster.

I always thought it would be fun to watch him take on the standard pro surf contest establishment on either “his” or “their” equipment.