Who’s doing the glass work for KookBox?
“Joel the surfer is ok”
Siestas and Olas Puerto section…nuff said.
Watch it…watch it again…edit post.
Seen it a few times.
Joel gets a few tuberides on an overhead day.
Nothing the local window cleaner here can’t do.
Distinctly underwhelming.
Disclaimer: no reflection on Joels integrity or that of the citizens of the United States.
Watch StormRiders and check the Peter McCabe/Thornton Fallander frontside/backside duel at Perfect Padang on singles.
Makes Joel look like he just overdosed on valium.
Steve
Ps Dick Van Straalen has been producing a less extreme version of the “thumb” for over 15 years (probably 20).
With a concave nose, bonzer bottom and 2+1 setup it’s a helluva lot of fun at short lengths (6’4" by 21 by 2 5/8) ridden in Pointbreaks.
Don’t shoot the messenger…it’s just another Point of view to counter the mainstream …and Joel is definitely mainstream.
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Seen it a few times.
Joel gets a few tuberides on an overhead day.
Nothing the local window cleaner here can’t do.
Distinctly underwhelming.
Disclaimer: no reflection on Joels integrity or that of the citizens of the United States.
Watch StormRiders and check the Peter McCabe/Thornton Fallander frontside/backside duel at Perfect Padang on singles.
Makes Joel look like he just overdosed on valium.
Steve
Ps Dick Van Straalen has been producing a less extreme version of the “thumb” for over 15 years (probably 20).
With a concave nose, bonzer bottom and 2+1 setup it’s a helluva lot of fun at short lengths (6’4" by 21 by 2 5/8) ridden in Pointbreaks.
Don’t shoot the messenger…it’s just another Point of view to counter the mainstream …and Joel is definitely mainstream.
Agree on Peter McCabe…the guy was turning harder in Bali in 78 than most pros do today in the same spot. JT can’t compare with that I don’t think. Same with Larry Blair when it comes to the tube.
Like I said…I think Joels appeal to many is they can see themselves doing what he does. Joel is a manufactured rebel…not a real rebel. Your are right in saying he is mainstream. The mainstream part of the retro fad, but not much like Quikabonk or etc.
at channin.
I seem to recall Joel winning a few contests…Some sort of title…
Why all the Joel Tudor hate???
Remember this guy ???..Kevin Connelly…
I hope both men do well in life. I’ve never met Joel but I spent a few hours surfing with Kevin… Pure Stoke!
Ray
how can i hate someone i dont even know
no hate hear brudda
just think the boards look kinda bushpig
i would hope not to make anything lookin like that
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I seem to recall Joel winning a few contests…Some sort of title…
Why all the Joel Tudor hate???
Remember this guy ???..Kevin Connelly…
I hope both men do well in life. I’ve never met Joel but I spent a few hours surfing with Kevin… Pure Stoke!
Ray
Huh?? There has been no Joel Tudor hate here. Only discussions of Joel the image and Joel the surfer. Only the image has been mildly rebuffed.
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I seem to recall Joel winning a few contests…Some sort of title…
Why all the Joel Tudor hate???
Remember this guy ???..Kevin Connelly…
I hope both men do well in life. I’ve never met Joel but I spent a few hours surfing with Kevin… Pure Stoke!
Ray
I think Solo’s key points are about JT’s business, not about his surfing. Obviously he walks the walk in the ocean. I’ve seen him on thrusters to old style singlefins and he is great, more than holding his own (understatement).
From the start though, I’ve noticed an ease of taking from the past, from other’s work, whether it be Logo design, board names, right down to copywrited music in the movie clip shown. I’m sure Neil Young is looking for his royalty, more likely never considered when taking the music.
Regardless of the lack of legal integrity, JT is a corporate name that obviously represents different things to different people. Separating the person from the struggling business is important.
I love the way he surfs, and the fact that he can experiment with parts of an old foundation, something a lot of young surfers like to check out. Fortunately too, is the fact that since the evolutionary time scale of surfboards was cut so short through the late sixties and early seventies, he’s been able to extend time and improve on design limitations from the past
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I love the way he surfs, and the fact that he can experiment with parts of an old foundation, something a lot of young surfers like to check out. Fortunately too, is the fact that since the evolutionary time scale of surfboards was cut so short through the late sixties and early seventies, he’s been able to extent time and improve on design limitations from the past
Earlier I think I wrote Tudor is a “figurehead” for what I suppose is a movement that I guess includes retro equipment and new interpretations of them as well, plus alt-the rest of it. Many have the opinion that this has been regressive or pointless rehashing. But what if nobody deviated? What if longboards didn’t come back? Longboards coming back didn’t stop development in other directions; in fact the economic blast they gave should have funded…well…could have funded anything.
So what if longboards didn’t come back? Where would boards and surfing be right now? Equipment development nearly at status quo - 1984?
I thought this thread was about Joel Tudor the label… On that note, that’s what board builders who are in business do. They build boards, put a label on them, market them, and sell them. Those willing to buy them do so, and hopefully have fun riding them. Joel Tudor is no exception. Just let the guy do his thing… it’s how he earns his living. He’s a lot like you and me… he eats, sleeps and breathes surfing. And to make a decent living at it… well… how cool is that?
Other than that, anybody can take a cheap shot at anybody, especially here, where you can be anonymous. But that’s not what we’re here for. We share ideas and techniques and knowledge, and in some cases, critique each others’ work. And if board building is an “art,” we hope that somebody else sees what we see, and digs what we do. So in that sense, the people who buy his boards aren’t suckers… they just see what he sees and dig what he does. Others simply don’t. Like all art, most people don’t spend a lot of time trying to figure it out. It just is what it is, and it either appeals to you or doesn’t.
Happy surfing!
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I thought this thread was about Joel Tudor the label… On that note, that’s what board builders who are in business do. They build boards, put a label on them, market them, and sell them. Those willing to buy them do so, and hopefully have fun riding them. Joel Tudor is no exception. Just let the guy do his thing… it’s how he earns his living. He’s a lot like you and me… he eats, sleeps and breathes surfing. And to make a decent living at it… well… how cool is that?
Other than that, anybody can take a cheap shot at anybody, especially here, where you can be anonymous. But that’s not what we’re here for. We share ideas and techniques and knowledge, and in some cases, critique each others’ work. And if board building is an “art,” we hope that somebody else sees what we see, and digs what we do. So in that sense, the people who buy his boards aren’t suckers… they just see what he sees and dig what he does. Others simply don’t. Like all art, most people don’t spend a lot of time trying to figure it out. It just is what it is, and it either appeals to you or doesn’t.
Happy surfing!
The best I can tell, no one is taking cheap shots at Joel. Certainly not me if you read all of my post. I stated his business is about the same hype as most other surf related businesses. I liked his old site much better. Nothing against Joel. I like him and his family…but this is a forum. Forums are places where folks exchange ideas, put ideas out, give opinions, write articles and various other things. So I would say, your advice is good…let the guy do his thing, but on the same token…Lennox 76, myself and others are just doing our thing. One is no better than the other.
Folks like reading different points of view as long as it stays civil. My personal issues with most of the business side of surfing over the last few years, is so much B.S. is slung around to the customers… what used to be common knowledge of craftsmanship and good service is now muddled. You have a public that thinks surfers act a certain way.
You have surfers growing up thinking they must act a certain way. Frankly…I don’t care for that certain way because I don’t remember much of a surfer way other than a common love of the ocean and the art of surfing until the mags and certain marketeers started promoting the " Surfer Look " and " Surfer talk/ tude " Most of the retail stores no longer give that great a service and most that work in them have limited knowledge of the variety of surf design and even surf history to be able to give good advice on a board to purchase.
Joel is the leader of one sect of the retro fad. Thats all. Nothing negative. It just is what it is.
As for anonymous…if you ask around it’s not hard to find out who folks are, but I think anonymous is a good thing because it allows folks the freedom to communicate about some of these subjects without some of the vindictive big business guys attempting to diminish them. I have said nothing I left in print I am ashamed of. Some has been written in analogy or saracasm, but thats what writing is about. I am also not hard to find if someone has a major issue with something I have written. I am always open to suggetion and apt to change a point of view is someone gives me a fact based reason.
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Other than that, anybody can take a cheap shot at anybody, especially here, where you can be anonymous. But that’s not what we’re here for. We share ideas and techniques and knowledge, and in some cases, critique each others’ work. And if board building is an “art,” we hope that somebody else sees what we see, and digs what we do. So in that sense, the people who buy his boards aren’t suckers… they just see what he sees and dig what he does. Others simply don’t. Like all art, most people don’t spend a lot of time trying to figure it out. It just is what it is, and it either appeals to you or doesn’t.
Happy surfing!
I think by extension, it’s pretty clear Joel has positioned himself as an artist, or at least material for other peoples Art.
If Neil Young puts out a new album, or the Spice Girls launch a new clothing label, is it not Ok in a functioning, freemarket democracy for there to be a range of opinions about these endeavours?
Some might think it’s cool, others might think it’s hopelessly derivative and lame.
There seems to be a common perception here that it’s wrong for there to be any public criticism of Joels work, or new labels.
And not anonymous cheap shots, but reasoned historical perspectives , with their name put to it.
It’s considered to be somehow impinging on his way of life or even his ability to breathe the air freely.
I find this attitude wierdly repressive and kind of communistic…it’s like Joel is Chairman Mao and his version of the cultural revolution is just sacred ground…don’t even dare whisper that the emperor has no clothes and that it was all done before (and better).
Anyway, after a pasting from my wife and neighbour (both rabid Joel fans), I’ve decided to publicly recant my views.
I’m sick of swimming against the current; load me up with all the kookbox surfboards they got.
I haven’t quite got the hairline for a full retro makeover…maybe Kookbox could make a hairpiece so guys like me could join the full retro revolution.
Actually I’m probably outside their target demographic…hell they probably wouldn’t sell me anything anyway.
Steve
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There seems to be a common perception here that it’s wrong for there to be any public criticism of Joels work, or new labels.
And not anonymous cheap shots, but reasoned historical perspectives , with their name put to it.
It’s funny about forums…if I was somehow “in the business” and interested in fairly cutting edge hipster viral marketing I’d be really, really interested in the various cyberspace peanut gallery critiques of my products and hype. I might pay somebody to read surfermag.com forum posts for me, but there are a few cyber watering holes that are potentially worth their weight in gold feedback apples…as well as entertainment.
But then again I’m not “in the business”…and happier for it…
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I’m sick of swimming against the current
Aw, suck it up, Steve! Only dead fish swim with the stream! Besides, I heard rumors that the guy seldom even breathes air… 
Nels
(real name, real photo)
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Quote:Other than that, anybody can take a cheap shot at anybody, especially here, where you can be anonymous. But that’s not what we’re here for. We share ideas and techniques and knowledge, and in some cases, critique each others’ work. And if board building is an “art,” we hope that somebody else sees what we see, and digs what we do. So in that sense, the people who buy his boards aren’t suckers… they just see what he sees and dig what he does. Others simply don’t. Like all art, most people don’t spend a lot of time trying to figure it out. It just is what it is, and it either appeals to you or doesn’t.
Happy surfing!
I think by extension, it’s pretty clear Joel has positioned himself as an artist, or at least material for other peoples Art.
If Neil Young puts out a new album, or the Spice Girls launch a new clothing label, is it not Ok in a functioning, freemarket democracy for there to be a range of opinions about these endeavours?
Some might think it’s cool, others might think it’s hopelessly derivative and lame.
There seems to be a common perception here that it’s wrong for there to be any public criticism of Joels work, or new labels.
And not anonymous cheap shots, but reasoned historical perspectives , with their name put to it.
It’s considered to be somehow impinging on his way of life or even his ability to breathe the air freely.
I find this attitude wierdly repressive and kind of communistic…it’s like Joel is Chairman Mao and his version of the cultural revolution is just sacred ground…don’t even dare whisper that the emperor has no clothes and that it was all done before (and better).
Anyway, after a pasting from my wife and neighbour (both rabid Joel fans), I’ve decided to publicly recant my views.
I’m sick of swimming against the current; load me up with all the kookbox surfboards they got.
I haven’t quite got the hairline for a full retro makeover…maybe Kookbox could make a hairpiece so guys like me could join the full retro revolution.
Actually I’m probably outside their target demographic…hell they probably wouldn’t sell me anything anyway.
Steve
No…not lennox. Like I said Lennox…in surfing folks don’t like reality or thought out views. It’s hard for some to believe you can like someone on one level and not care for their marketing drivel on another. We might as well just say there have been no advancments in surfing or boards since the first olo. Keep in mind, that when people dropped much of that stuff it was before surfboards were called longboards, shortboards, hyrbrids, or fun boards etc. People changed because they wanted to surf faster and do more moves easier. Sorry some things just do that better than others. It’s not that folks want the little pointed nosed low float model either. I think the retro revolution was born because that low float stuff just didn’t fit your average surfer. I like some of Joels old shapes, but some of them are just old. IMO
When speaking of Joel the icon and business…lets face it…we are really talking about the retro movement. Not Joel as a person.
I like this one…
“Joel is the leader of one sect of the retro fad. Thats all. Nothing negative. It just is what it is.”…Solo…
I agree with Solo
I may be wrong… but… I think Joel has been crowned World Champ…Yeah… World Longboad Champion…Someone help me out with the dates…
Looks like he’s doing better than all those other Longboard Champs…
…I build my own boards… No profit here…
Go surfing , have fun
Ray
I have been seeing some parallel profile boards, along with some really thick foiled fins in surfshops…some ideas once thought to be 'kookey" concepts now to be mainstream…when have we seen this before?
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I have been seeing some parallel profile boards, along with some really thick foiled fins in surfshops…some ideas once thought to be 'kookey" concepts now to be mainstream…when have we seen this before?
I sell boards that most of the mainstream dismissed years ago, but their basic shape is what became the modern shortboard. When they morphed into something new as they may have before you couldn’t buy anything other than a toothpick, folks looked equally as puzzled. If not for the retro revolution, movement or whatever you call it combined with the rebirth of longboarding…many of these designs wouldn’t be looked at on a large basis outside of some pockets around the world. I appreciate the change in thinking that came from this movement, but I liked the movement better when it was just an underground and true movement…not a full fledged hyped up business complete with 50 year olds and teens wearing beaver tail wetsuits and riding equipment we gladly threw away years ago. Beaver tails like disco sucked then and still suck.
Some of the older equipment was years ahead and never got it’s just due, much of it needed to stay in the past. I like the idea behind the Thumb. I think it must be more for front footed surfing and triming rather than smacking the lip, but thats just as first blush. I liked the old oscelator tail singles, but I can’t even find a picture of one on the internet today.
They were similar to Akila’s twin fins.
Solo, can you ligthen my ignorance on Thumb and tell me what you think about the Twin Pin of Kookboxx’s quiver ?
I am trying to make up my mind on my next board, and I will shape it myself (backyard shaper nothing more).
But I have been hesitating a lot lately between :
a classic fish,
a mini simmons,
a hull
and I added to this list (with this thread) the twin pin.
I’d like to narrow the choice a bit, but it’s not easy …
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Solo, can you ligthen my ignorance on Thumb and tell me what you think about the Twin Pin of Kookboxx’s quiver ?
I am trying to make up my mind on my next board, and I will shape it myself (backyard shaper nothing more).
But I have been hesitating a lot lately between :
a classic fish,
a mini simmons,
a hull
and I added to this list (with this thread) the twin pin.
I’d like to narrow the choice a bit, but it’s not easy …
The thumb is interesting a shortboard you can nose ride well on. For guys who like to ride off their front foot it may work ok also. I don’t care for the rest, so someone else is probably better to ask on the kookboxx quiver. I tend like boards with the wide point back or balanced like an egg or double ender.
Good luck on your board. Shape what is the most appealing to you and you can’t lose.