Learning the (long)board you ride or learning to ride many boards?

I know you’re board builders, keen to make a board for every need but I’m asking still:

Which one makes you progress faster? Riding your favorite longboard anywhere and everywhere until you know it by heart? Or instead of just riding the nimble ninefooter, picking a bit bigger board every now and then? Learning to ride something smaller too?

I know it’s an obvious answer if you’re good or if you’re young and surfing every day. What if you’re not teenager anymore and still just learning the art. And the worst of all if you’re getting to surf only some 50 to 70 days per year?

So far I’ve been a firm believer in one board quiver, but I also believe in questioning all the beliefs.

Becoming one with the board of becoming something with many boards?

9’0 High Performance Longboard - 10’0 Nose Rider - 7’6 Gun - 6’6 Semi Gun - 6’3 Shortboard - 5’10 Fish - 6’4 quad

Learn to ride them all and you will experience the pure joy of surfing.

Watch Videos of CJ Nelson, he rides everything - Josh Mohr rides both long and short - Collin McPhillips the same. Dave Rastavich guns, shortboards, fishes.

Have fun with surfing. Why be stuck on one thing. Surfing offers much more!

I grew up surfing Lake Michigan on a board that was way too small for a beginner on lake waves, and nearly gave up, thinking that I just wasn’t meant to be a surfer. I tried for years to get up on those waves on 3 different boards. They were all short boards, 5’8" - 6’8". Had I learned on a longboard or something more bouyant, I would have progressed faster.

I went to Europe in 1995 for a year and surfed all over on rented and borrowed equiptment, and realized that my problem was the lack of wave energy on the lake to push my small boards and my 168 pound frame. When I got into different waves and different situations, that taught me a lot about watching before going out, knowing where to paddle out, where to sit, what to take, what not to take… etc.

I took that learning experience back to the lake and had a little better experience on the Lake Waves, realizing what I needed to try and catch to push my short board and my 168 lb body.

In 1999, I moved to Mexico and surfed all over on the mainland, including spots like Barra de la Cruz and Puerto Escondido. There, I learned that knowing your surroundings, respecting the locals, board choice, and wave selection were key to survival. Trust me, the impact zone at Zicatela will kill you, if you don’t know what you are doing. I learned the hard way, but took my beatings and kept going back, learning from my mistakes and eventually learning how to ride waves of various types, sizes, and calibers.

I moved back to the lakes with a longboard, and picked up several other boards of various sizes around the Lake and surfed them mostly on the South End, and learned a lot about Lake Surfing and how important bouyancy is in fresh water vs. salt.

It wasn’t until I moved to California and was able to surf every day, several times a day, and built a collection of hundreds of surfboards that I realized my true potential as a surfer. I literally made a point to surf several different spots every day on different equiptment to know the waves of southern california and Baja and to know how each shape and fin configuration performes in various conditions, big or small, clean or blown out. I’ve been surfing like this for the past 7 years and it has really developed my surfing style, improved my skills, and has taken me to levels I never thought possible.

The biggest learning experience from all of this has come from shaping my own boards based on my experiences in various waves of various parts of the world, and on literally hundreds of boards of all different sizes, shapes, and fin configurations. I shaped what works for me, and shape for others what works for them.

The only way you can get to a level of surfing that you have set as a goal, is to get out as often as you can on as much equiptment as you can. Find what works for YOU and master that equiptment.

Another important part of the learning curve is learning to shape. Once you’ve ridden something that you created with your own hands, you’ll understand exactly what it’s all about!

Mahalo,

You learn a lot by riding different boards.

Every board rides different and if you surf many boards you have to change your surfing all the time.

And every time you search for the good technique, you learn some things you’ve never done before because you didn’t need to.

When you take your usual board again you will surf it different!

Progression is what makes surfing exciting and every time you take out another board, the first half hour everything goes wrong and it’s exciting to learn to master that board. This is so when you ride the spot you know by heart. When you ride a new spot (with different waves) it is more fun to ride the board you know by heart!

I think if you only ride one board you will get to a stage where you ‘think’ you know it by heart.

You will surf very well on that board.

But if you ride different boards you realise how little you actually know, and it will open up even more possibilities on your original board you thought you knew by heart.

First fill in your user profile so we know “where” you surf. Second you never told us what board you are currently riding. You say that you can “only” surf 50-70 days a year…well… that’s every weekend. Sounds good to me.

Learn the board you have. Borrow boards that are different. There’s nothing wrong with a one board quiver , did that for years. Now I make my own. I ride everything from a 10 foot Surftech to a 6’5" egg. I’m no pro.I don’t surf big waves. I could go back to the one board quiver any time and be happy. Most guys I know have several boards but only ride one on a regular basis…

Remember to have fun!

Ray

The more you surf the better you will become. Age in not a consideration, water time is. That could mean swimming 4 days a week, plenty of press-ups and sit-ups too.

In order to surf whatever is there, you will need a number of boards.

In retrospect I have found that too much time on trad fish and longboards causes a style conflict with riding thrusters and shorter boards.

IMHO you should have a quiver of boards, probably 3 should do. But the important thing is that thay are all ridden in the same style.

For example to develop on a shortboards in say California waves for an average surfer (160lbs) something like this may work

5’10" Quad wide and flat (But still fairly thin) for the small days

6’6" Shortboard

6’10" Semi-gun.

The important thing here is that all the boards are back foot oriented requiring you to drive the board pumping or carving.

An alternative for a longboarder who moves back & forward to trim the board could be

10’ Noserider

9’4" Performance longboard

6’0" TRaditional Fish or 7’0" Egg

I have found switching between longboards and shortboards meant that my efficiency on a shortboard was stunted until I stopped riding longboards and wide fat fish.

I’m with burnsie here.

Unless you’re very talented - you will always find a “hang up” when switching between a longboard and a shortboard - ie if you generally ride longboards.

However in my experience there is no hang up between a longboard and a trad fish.

Normally a shortboarder - a few years ago i shaped myself a big longboard (9 6 x 23) and had a blast catching all the waves that were out there - lapping the shortboarders. After about 6 months surfing exclusively the longboard - I thought that one day I’d take the shortboard out again. OH MY GOD - what a shock - I couldn’t believe how much I’d slowed down in those 6 months - It took a good five sessions on the shortboard to start feeling comfortable again.

I now however try to ride everything - I find if I continually mix up my surfing I can feel relatively good on all of them.

Much depends on your surfing goals - if you’re gonna be predominantly a longboarder - get a fish as well - you’ll find it fine - no hangups and very much fun.

Yikes! Maybe I just caught this thread at an interesting time for me…my surfing goals?! That’s worth a thread of it’s own…a mindbender.

There have already been great responses to the original question: one board or many. As one who has given myself as many options as possible, with going on 38 years standup surfing experience plus a few bodysurfing etc. before that began, living a real life in Southern California with all the complications, restrictions, and opportunities that entails…I would offer these observations based on my experiences.

If you live a normal life with normal opportunity to go surfing, a 3 board quiver would be enough. Have a primary board, and plan on rotating other boards until one of them naturally assumes the primary status. That way you stay fresh, keep learning new things, have a chance to explore other arenas and new designs and conditions. This also keeps away the real downfall of single-board quivers, which is boredom. Boardom? I would think 6-9 months of regular surfing only one board would probably explore it’s and your abilities on the design. At a recreational level of either experience or opportunity you could stretch that to about 1.5 years, maybe 2. After that and you get diminishing returns. Stagnation. Not so much if you are mixing it up.

More than 2-3 boards and you run the risk of confusing yourself with the options, or of having to buy a bigger vehicle. Too may options can be a burden, too few a drag.

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IMHO you should have a quiver of boards, probably 3 should do. But the important thing is that thay are all ridden in the same style. -Burnsie

I hate restrictive things…but it’s true that certain styles don’t crossover easily unless you are able to ride all the time and have the chance to switch around so much you don’t lose the feelings. I don’t believe recreational experienced surfers get the kind of time to make this viable…my opinion only there…I think there’s loss. And like Silverback says later you can really feel it after a long layoff. For my experience this has been less about length of surfboards than fins…thruster style surfing vs. trim surfing. The only other thing that has matched this for me has been bodysurfing/prone riding and then going back to standing up after a break. The wave knowledge and timing are still there, the standup knowledge is still there, but the “pop-up” is shot to hell…and we all know what happens when you blow a takeoff or two…

Nels

Too many boards and too many options. Roll up at my local spot with my 5’10" fish and 6’4" stubbie to find the already week long swell has picked up and with plenty more power.

Paddle out wishing I had my 7’ pintail single which has been doing the job so far.

Later that day roll up with the 7’er only to find the swell has backed off considerably and my choices have been completely and utterly 100% arse about face.

I would love a one board quiver.

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Too many boards and too many options. Roll up at my local spot with my 5’10" fish and 6’4" stubbie to find the already week long swell has picked up and with plenty more power.

Paddle out wishing I had my 7’ pintail single which has been doing the job so far.

Later that day roll up with the 7’er only to find the swell has backed off considerably and my choices have been completely and utterly 100% arse about face.

I would love a one board quiver.

That’s my horror scenario!

Thanks for the good views. I’ve been pushing the performance ninefooter riding a bit more lately, falling a lot more often but also pulling off some stuff that I haven’t done before. I like it that way even if it means less surfing and more swimming. In the other hand I’ve been a bit reclutant to give up good waves by jumping on a board that I can’t surf as well as my regular ride. Maybe I should give it a try as well?

Based on more recent experience (10 yrs ago) learning to snowboard…ride the one until you feel you have it pretty dialed THEN go to many. If you jump to variety too soon you confuse your reflexes as you don’t have a baseline of comparison and will slow your learning curve. Once past the point where you are almost bored on the one, you will learn quickly on the others. One caveat…be sure the one is a good all around well designed and executed shape. Trying to learn on a dog is painful and hopeless (been there done that in early surfing days)

i have several boards ranging from 10’ timber longboards right down to 5’10" twinnys. before every surf i check the ocean. see what its doing and decide what board to ride then.

there is no point taking ( in my opinion) a 10’ longboard to surf 8’ bells. ride something gunny and more suited to the conditions. same for small fat waves. id take the twinny or the mal.

the ocean has many moods, more than my girlfriend in fact! it decides what ill be surfing, not me…

Fill out your profile dude…

50 to 70 days you lucky fella , try 30 to 40 if im lucky. Still, ride everything, to many people hung up on one board. Variety is the spice of life…

A longboard can be a great all around ride. It will glide on the small tiny days and still be able to stroke early into bigger waves if thats what you come across. Besides another board I mentioned in another thread, the 9’0" modern single fin longboard I’ve been riding for the last 5 yrs. (besides other boards too) would probably be my choice of boards if I only had one to pick. My quiver ranges from a 6’0" twin keel fish to a heavy 9’6" Model T. They all have their own characteristics that suit certain conditions better than others. Bottom line, ride what makes u feel good. If riding more than one board does the trick…great, if just one board makes you happy cool!

Thanks everyone, good points of view!

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Based on more recent experience (10 yrs ago) learning to snowboard...ride the one until you feel you have it pretty dialed THEN go to many.

This is a bit off topic but close to my heart (just got home from snowboarding, the snowpark is 15min from my doorstep).

I wish surfing was as easy as snowboarding. You need a park board and a good mountain board that floats you in the powder. I don’t even need the park board, I can pull those few oldshool tricks with bigger board too. Whenever I’ve got a board I like I quit thinking about snowboards and concentrate on the terrain. No need for a quiver, just becoming one with that stick and riding it on the limit. Actually, the best pow day ever I rode with a board so wasted it didn’t turn left at all on the slope;)

I’ll go on travelling with the performance 9 footer and maybe I’ll take the risk of borrowing something shorter and longer from friends every now and then. Who knows whats going to happen?

Intresting note. Looking at the clips from longboard world champs, it seems many of the pros rode the same board troughout the week, even though the conditions dropped from hollow overhead to weak & messy. Kinda makes me believe in the versatility of a modern 9’, at least among the longboard species.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/oxbow-world-longboard-championship-day1/24334562