Do most pros measure length over the bottom curve or by tip to tip length?
Tip to tip, deckside up.
If you buy a 6’1" Channel Islands Flyer, it will measure 6’1" over the bottom curve and 6’ 1/4" tip to tip on the deck.
Where's that pic of the can o' worms when you need it?
Length generally means the straightline distance between two endpoints, not the distance along a curve. In surfboardspeak, it's gotten a little jumbled. Strong opinions from many members may follow....
I agree with Mike on this one; tip to tip for overall length always works. However, plenty of times you can persuade a person to buy a board by either measuring tip to tip, or on the bottom curve which can add considerable length depending on the amount of rocker. If they want a shorter board use the bottom rocker measurement. On older surfers, who as a shaper-designer, you know need more volume and length- go tip to tip. This way they think the board is shorter; it is a psychological thing about size some may argue.
The only time I've seen it matter was in a longboard contest where one guy was disqualified. His board was declared "too short" when they measured tip to tip instead of along the bottom.
I've always just measured along the bottom. That's also where I take my width measurements at nose, tail and wide point.
Al would always have his guys measure from the bottom, and add 1/2 inch to compensate for overall board length. Never seemed to work out tip to tip in reality. Kind of like adding an inch to the overall tail width when writing down the boards numbers on the deck and having to put the little fish signature. I recon that was his way of getting back at those who tried to copy his boards by just plugging in the numbers…
If you are consistant with yourself, it won't make a difference, but if you are communicating with someone else in the bizniz, then you need to measure tip to tip. That is how it is measured in any other industry (boats, cars, golf clubs, baseballs). The length in all the computer programs is tip to tip and all the c 'n c machines measure it tip to tip. If you mix and match, your mid point will be off and your outline and rocker can get skewed. If you don't care about 1/4 to 1/2 inch...no big deal.
Shit my dad said; "A thing worth doing is worth doing right"
Tip to tip?
So when someone orders a board and you’re laying out the template (on the bottom, over the curve) how do you figure the tip to tip measurement, assuming the blank has yet to be foiled? Doesn’t make sense to me.
depends.....Flaccid or erect?
Measure from the deck Nose to tail. Draw a line for the lenght. Make your cross cut.
Now flip your board over and set you nose and tail from 12" up from each point.
Set your center width forward or backward from center depending on what type of board you are making or set it dead center.
It’s your call!
I’m a hack, so I make my template an inch longer than my desired length for a typical shortboard. Then I measure the blank’s length deck side, cut it to the correct length, flip it over and lay out the template. Comes pretty damn close every time. But like I said, I’m a hack.
Over the curve.
Along the bottom, industry standard. For what its worth Aku will do it either way, not sure about other software.
I’ve always wondered how many people use straight or over curve measurements to find the rocker centre point. I am guessing about 50/50. On my boards that would be a 3/8" change.
Is curved versus straight an OZ/USA difference?
How do you template the plan shape outline using straight measurements? That sounds complicated, but I’m sure someone has done it.
I’ve measured the rocker straight using the rocker stick as the measure and also over curve marking inch increments on the bottom of the board. Pencil marks on the board don’t move which is a bonus. Plus if you use a laser level it is easier.
Software you can use both, but bear in mind ‘guide points’ use straight line measurements.
Slices or rail profile and foil seem easiest measured straight. Foil can give very different measurements, particularly through the nose, depending if you hold callipers straight up and down or follow the curve. Not sure what most people do there. Software measures straight up and down.
“Along the bottom, industry standard.”
Really?
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"Along the bottom, industry standard."
Really?
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Gotta agree with the "tip to tip" guys here.
Try entering a longboard contest with a 9' LB that was shaped measured along the bottom. If they measure it (the "official" ruler is usually a stick with two blocks 9' apart), you're likely gonna come up short and get DQ'd.
On an unrelated note, Andy Irons just did a freakin' ripping top turn on his round 4 heat opener a J-bay.
Gotta agree with the “tip to tip” guys here.
Industry Standard? That kind of threw me off?
With one of my business’s: www.americansurfindustries.com
We do a lot for various board builders in the Industries.
All straight-line Measurement.
We make boards for a few shops and all the orders that come in we make the board using Stringer Line (Tip to Tip).
Maybe it’s done differently depending on what side of the Equator your on?****
**Try entering a longboard contest with a 9’ LB that was shaped measured
along the bottom. If they measure it (the “official” ruler is usually a
stick with two blocks 9’ apart), you’re likely gonna come up short and
get DQ’d. **
That probably why most shapers I deal with measure Tip to Tip.****
On an unrelated note, Andy Irons just did a freakin’ ripping top turn on
his round 4 heat opener a J-bay.
Andy is definetly on a comeback and it’s great to see him back in good form!
How about Timmy Reyes? See the heat against Hobgood?**
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On an unrelated note, Andy Irons just did a freakin' ripping top turn on his round 4 heat opener a J-bay.
Andy is definetly on a comeback and it's great to see him back in good form!
How about Timmy Reyes? See the heat against Hobgood?
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I was looking for it but missed it! Waves look so fun, although a bit smaller than the past couple of days.
AI just lost and seemed to lose his cool on a water photog. Looked like he tried to spear him with the nose of his board after the loss.
you mean ya’all dont measure all the way around the rail ?
In my country the circumfrence measurement is the final word.
the special nature of the curve in them stanley roll up
tape measures fit the curve of the rail so prefectly.
we just tape the rolling measurer numbers down on the board
and walk around ,an occasional piece of tape is helpfull,
but hot pros can do it with no tape! then when you reach the over lap
of that roll up measuring stanley you just read it and divide by two.
I dont know how yo may do this east of the Pecos or north of Durango or west of Vladivostok
or south of Hemit but here in Iknowhipovia wheee all do it this way to keep from being disqualified at the border
when the waves come up out of the country.
…ambrose…
is there a special Ronald Reagan watch
for the best beat down of a photographer?
there should be,and one for the photographer
with the best closeup of the hot action.
I watched yesterday, the heat where
the paint was drying was faster than
the sets coming through,I split screened
the day before hilights
so I wouldn’t fall to sleept
I think promotional surfing is making a come back.