I really can, I just stall and do one cross step and im there. now I dont stay there too long and I hang five only.Mine is 5-5 ,22 ,3. Back to long boards, a buddy who only rides lbs says the right fin is a must for long nose rides,He likes the big D fins.
mahalo catfish,will try that on the mini.i can cheater five my 7.0 egg easy.about the big D fin for nose ride,so true,old style D fin,set not too far in,old style close to tail,glassed in even better,best for long nose rides. Any modern style longboard can noseride great,and allows you to surf bigger waves and be moere nimble.IMO,if you don’t cross step and noseride,or if that particular spot is not good for noseriding,use a different kind of board.variety is the spice of life.Aloha
I love my longboard, but i really don't try to get to the nose unless the waves are slow. I just love the cruisy drivy feeling of how they surf, and fun factor in small weak waves. I find the nose concave pushes me out of waves on stiff offshore days.
The few times i've gotten up to the nose have been awesome fun though. I can only get 5 at best, but just trimming right up near the nose on a nice little runner is a sweet feeling.
I like a blended nose concave to create lift (in the same manner as bottom concaves do… by capturing the energy of the water rising up the wave face) and to create a flatter planing surface to stand on. And this is where my theory may differ from most…
If you blend your concave into the bottom of the board, there is no ridge to create turbulent drag. So the concave does not slow the board as much. Actually, I feel it helps maintain speed, in much the same way as the old school noseriders sped up when out on the tip and riding the forward, flattened rail line of the front half of the board.
This type of concave can be combined with other more modern board design elements to get a better performing board with the additional ability to increase the length of noserides.
yesterday and today I rode the 9'4 , with this 'boomerang fin' , that I previously posted on the 'boomerang' thread ....
I was hoping that this thick , deep fin would be okay for noseriding . It wasn't , today ! Wrong conditions for noseriding .
I got a few 'cheater fives' yesterday [only waist high] ...
but , with today's bigger surf , and southerly [sideshore] chop , the fin skipped on a few noserides , AND bottom turns .
I put that down to the 4" base on the thing , as well as taking off as sideways as I could without sideslipping .
The thing also hummed , on a few waves . The 'boomerang ' fin is pretty freaking THICK in the tip ! It's also thinner in the base , as well as narrower in the base , so ...no surprises there !
My 'nose concave ' on the 9'4 'Cooloola ' doesn't seem to perform too well on choppy days , anyone else notice this too ?
cheers !
ben
here is the setup ....
[see how THICK the tip is , in this shot ??]
Try this,…
Thanks for the comments everyone! I did not know nose concave went all the way back to the 60's...
I like a single fin, rolled bottom, 50/50 rail...log. I can cross step but my goal is old school glide not tip time. I surf small waves without a leash....And I'm not a full time longboarder.
My friend only rides longboards. Needs a leash and side fins ect.........I finished shaping his surfboard. It has nose concave and D rails. Modern rocker. It's going to be fun....After this one is glassed I will have 3 different Logs to ride....
aw heck....how can I do longboard testing when I have a 6'8" sort of a fish to ride???????
Stingray......
Hey Stingray, you say you love glide, why not build one of those 11’ Eagle/Glider types… definitively ranks high in the boards I want list… Addicted to glide too, that’s why I love riding my mat!
Ray, I just finished an 8’ x 21" board that is designed to be a short longboard. I added about a 1/4" of concave under the nose then flat in the middle and vee through the tail from last 1/3 or so. I made it from a stripped down 10’ log, so the max nose rocker I could get is about 3 1/2".
I took it out this weekend and just as I wanted the concave adds a lot to the gliding ability. My board has modern tucked under rails that are thinned down, so it’s not a old style board. I don’t think concave under the nose slows it down at all, if anything it goes faster when you’re up there.
The only drawback is that for an 8’ board with low nose rocker the concave doesn’t help with getting into the wave. Once I’m on the wave the board rides great. Rode it in just over head take offs to just under head high. I surfed with Keith Melville yesterday.
Hope your friend likes the board.
Just finished my first longboard, it’s noserides “surprisingly friggin’ awesome” so I thought I might share some of its design characteristics. It is fairly thinned railed, square tail, pointy-ish nosed, widepoint forward 9’8" x 18.5" x 24" x 16.5" x 3". I’m attributing a lot of its noseriding capabilities to the width (I’m 6’3" 185 lbs BTW).
It has a very mellow nose concave which is blended into the rest of the hull, which is rolled.
Rocker is fairly standard for noseriders I’ve seen with the exception of an increased amount in the first 10-12" of the nose. This increase in rocker doesn’t seem to cause drag because it’s not really in the water and actually seems to help incase you spend too much time on the nose and it begins to drop… allowing a few extra moments to step back.
The rails are 50/50 throughout, and fairly thin. The tail doesn’t wash out when you really haul on a turn like my last longboard, which was a similar design but 23.5" wide and much thicker rails.
I’m using a 10" heritage fin. I really like the hold it retains in even the most critical sections.
Ben,
I couldn’t find the ‘Boomerang fin’ thread so I may be repeating something you already know.
That fin looks very much like a McCoy Gullwing (http://www.mccoysurfboards.com/v1/fins). Follow the link for design info…
Phil
Tsimpson said it all. Myself, I’m all about hanging ten on my logs or longboards, anyone can hang five on any board. I’m hung up on plenty concave for that reason. Because it lifts and slows the board down it works for me- you don’t want to be hauling ass out of control on a steep section on a heavy bulky noserider nor a lightweight performance LB, you want that slowed down locked in and lifted feel. Concave helps big time on performance LBs hanging ten no problem but the hard down rails let the tail get too loose/slide out( ok for doing helicopters) compared to 50-50
We did not have that graffiti in America because; We know how to shape Noseriders and we know how to ride them. NOT off the tail.
That does mean you are a bad surfer.
The biggest problem with that board is not that ridiculous “Boomer” fin, nor the flip in the nose, but rather the tail area of your board. No tail volumne. I’m assuming that with such a narrow small tail; that you probably have no kick or rocker in the tail… Yea???
The longer the board, the more time it takes to get to the nose. Have you ever seen a pic of Skip Frye hanging ten on an 11’ Eagle?? At the peak of the Noseriding era, the length of the averagenoserider was 9’2" — 9’10". Lowel
went surfing…had fun…got tar balls…
light blue…10 foot Bruce Jonse…Light Green 10 foot Lance Carson…
hope that last Mcding comment was not addressed to me. The answer to the original question is NO you do not need concave to nose ride well but you’ll find plenty that almost all of your best tip riders prefer it. Look at all your current models by Tudor, Nelson, Quintal, Anderson
Tip riding is a stalling maneuver that keeps you in the pocket. You don’t want to outrun the section as would would if just forward trimming- another reason many peeps prefer concave
Ah yes tar balls.