I’m interested in seeing how these things ride…I have a 6’6" Liddle hull, but the “hull” is VERY subtle. I’m looking to try something like in the videos posted in the “hull moovs” thread. If anyone in San Diego wants to hook up for a surf this weekend and has a hull I can take for spin, let me know. thanks.
PM me and we can set up something next week.
Ill bring my 6’8 down for the anything but 3 mext week if you want to give it a go…
What when and where is the “anything but 3” happening?
sunday the 3rd at cardiff…bring anything but a thruster
starts in the morning, i think its pretty informal…afterward theres a meet up at a cafe down the street, i forget what its called…for chatting and board swaps/sales if anyone wants to.
yeah, I read on Liddle’s site this:
added many of these changes to the boards I now build and send back to the mainland. They are not as extreme as the 70’s and early 80’s shapes . They are more “user friendly” and much easier to ride in my opinion, with the added volume, a bit more rocker for and aft and less extreme in bottom shape. They will still give you the same sensations with less effort. I will still make a “full on” foiled out bladed version if directly custom ordered.
So is anyone on this BB riding those from time to time. could you see any of the differences in a pic of one, say side by side with a PBer or Inbtweener?
I just got a 8’ hull shaped by Jim Phillips. Unfortunately the shore break here in HB may not be optimum for learning how to work the board. (I keep wanting to put my weight on my back foot.) I thought I might go down to Trails at San O. to get some longer waves to practice on next Sat 6/2. Anyone up for it?
that’s an interesting quote from GL when you look at it in isolation like that – fuller rails, more rocker, less hull/flatter bottom, easier to ride, same sensation.
Jank: what he’s saying is that his new boards - the Pointbreaker, Inbetweener,etc are easier to ride.
The older boards are the full-on, blade-foiled ones – harder to ride – like razor blades – which i can understand, cuz i’ve never caught rails so often in my life on a single board – i imagine the ‘full-on’ is even less forgiving.
Still i wonder if you put one of those in a pic side by side with a contemporary Liddle, if you could see the differences.
in the HULL MOOVS grabs – it also looks like those older boards were wider. There’s one of Steve K, arms up, cutting back where the board really does look like a flying saucer.
I read that quote like you did, it just seems like he’s saying that the less like a hull he makes it, the better surfboard.
we’re talking in matters of 1/4" here, a 1/2 “there. the old school ones have straighter rocker-say 3 and 3/4 nose with about 3/4” tail whereas the newer one might be something like 4" or so nose and 1 and 1/8" or so in tail. thicknesses were generally under 3" while most now are at least 3 more like 3 and 1/16.rails were pinced to almost zero while now they tend to be thin and round. so yes, the extreme machines can be hard to ride but if masterd can be ridden in a lot of surf-clean surf in particular. problem is, surf ain’t that primo too much so he started to make chnges that would allow us to surf the no matter if it was really clean or a little sloppy…they have that same hull ride but not quite as sensitive or flexy as the xtreme ones, especially the stringerless ones.an extreme pointbreaker old school would have measurements along the lines of 7’ with 18 and 3/4" nose 22.5 to 23" wide and tail 14 and 3/4 to 15" what is referred to as a baseball bat template…greg has lately made a run of boards with the old school rocker, outlines, etc.awesome!
do most hull riders have a longboard background? i myself do not. i started on late70s singles, thruster, twin, back to thruster up until 2005, now fish/hull/mat. mostly hull or mat now. so i come from a mostly maneuv/perf style.
i’m keen to see what attracts people to this type of equipment. for me it’s the graceful, flowing, and extreme maneuvers this board provides ( i’m we all say ‘speed’ no matter what we ride ) . i like the challenges it offers.
I do lean more towards longboarding than short…i think the extreme trim speed youg et from a hull is what intrugues me. long lines, carving cutbacks and SPEED to burn…cant beat it!
Not in my case, have ridden Liddle’s since the mid 70’s in the SD area. As a grem was riding Tommy Lewis, Bahne etc down rail single fins, then got enlightened with hulls. Since then have gone through the various trends, tried some long boards for a couple years, even tried 2 Spence boards 10-12 years ago after Greg moved to Hawaii. Now use basically 2 designs, have a local board shaper making me some “speed egg” type 6’8-7’4, but always seem to come back to Liddle hulls.Now have 3 of the more modern shapes, 6’8 MP3, 7’ point breaker, and a 7’6 Hawaiikine. My last “old style Liddle” I kept is a 6’6 fully foiled hull from around 1980. Am I confused by switching around? I see it as various boards give a different style and feel for the wave, but there is a unique sensation of dropping in on a hull and banking it over pulling back up in the pocket and feeling the speed and glide you get while setting up for the nextshot down the face again. At least for me and other hull riders I have known and seen, it isn’t a “contest/perf style” but power, style and speed wrapped into one package.
Itchy: those last two sentences of yr post – well put.
I’m looking very forward to finding out tomorrow morning…LeeV dropped off a 7’2" Point Breaker for me last night, and man, just the boards shape and foil make me want to, well…I can’t wait to ride it.
My first board was a Liddle hull. My father bought it for my 10th birthday from a garage sale down the street–$70. He is not a surfer and heard that “funboards” in the 7-foot range were the best for kids wanting to learn how to surf. Well, we got the 7-foot range part right, but this was no “funboard” by any stretch of the imagination. What 10-year-old knows anything about how a board with s-deck, belly, and knifey rails is gonna ride? And in closed-out beachbreak nonetheless! No wonder it took me so long to learn how to surf.
I’m 23 now and hulls–especially Liddles–will forever be my favorite board to surf. I am so fortunate and thankful that the garage sale purveyor of my magic board never gave Dad a “caveat emptor” speech (which all of us hull-riders typically do so freely for new users). I have come to gravitate toward the longboard end of the style spectrum, but equally enjoy fishes, thrusters, and my bodyboard. However, when presented with a perfect waist-shoulder high right pointbreak, there’s no question as to which board I’m gonna grab:
or maybe there is–new or old??
I just put one of my Liddles up for sale in the Swaylocks Surfshop. Take a look, if you are interested we should talk. I am sure we could meet half way between SD and LA.