You guys may have already seen this posted on the surfermag BB but if not - I’m not sure if Greg has a degree in Chemical Engineering or not but he is a bright guy and RR is a well-researched, quality epoxy resin (in my opinion)… Here are some excerpts - I hope they are not too out of context… I side w/. Greg…
"Spent the entire day with an epoxy Chemist that makess Greg Lohr sound like Buckwheat from the little rascals (No offence).
Learned more about resin in 6 hours than 20 years.
Peoplwho actually know about resins and such are finally starting to take interest in our world. It will get better, but cost more.
I was wondering why it took 50 posts before we got the Japan Car analogy…Its great, but doesnt solve the CUSTOM issue…and most of the guys on these threads and ingeneral LOVE custom (it is what makes our passion and sport so unique and cool) .
Japan and China are not the answer to that issue.
Even if they last long and cost less…its still not like CUSTOM baby…Custom…Like a Harley chopper or Low rider, or a good suit for your buddys wedding…fits you ass just right.
this is the challenge. "
"I am not against epoxy at all (I dont know why his rebuttal assumed this) I’ve probably put more “epoxies” under the feet of pro surfers than anyone in the world in the last 3 years (before clark) including XTR, Brasilian styrofoam, Saloman S Cores, Aviso and Epoxie resin laminated PU blanks.
I do think the baseball analogy he made is well said, but aluminum bats would erase all the past records and tradition of baseball and probably ruin the games whole appeal (like a world of popout surfboards would do to ours)
I cant understand any of his other rebuttals as they are mostly wrong, off the cuff, unresearch opinions of one man.The best example is of him using his own expierience with snowboarding as a litmus for the durability of snowboards…What would a middle aged man from Florida do on a snowboard to push its boundries???Is he hitting 40’ table tops? Sliding down handrails, funbox’s or stairs? I seriously doubt it.
On the real front though…
I do think Mr Loehrs resin is not well “RESEARCHED”
I think it can be alot better, but because he has had no competition up till now he has been able to pawn off his so so product uncontested. I think this will change now with the attention of so many new faces to our market.
So Mr Loehr is alot like Clark…Hes been selling on a monopoly an (arguably) outdated un “researched” product and now, new competition will bring out better more user freindy epoxies.He is the one who stands to lose the most from all this…Not people like me who are open to all things and always push for better performance as the NUMBER 1 PRIORITY!!!
I am more anti styrofoam than epoxy resin.
There is no “research” in styrofoam. It soaks water, its soft, not pretty, doesnt shape as well as PU,Blows gas, needs too much glass (the 2.5lb is actually pretty decent stuff on most matters) and its all readily available to any idiot who wants to by a truckload and hack it into blanks then come to my shop and tell me that they are a blank supplier. Then they cant deliver.
So rather than sitting back and shlepping this mediocre foam that needs so much glass on it to not be squeezed to mush on the retail floor that it loses most of its flex, why dont the finger pointing epoxy pundits DESIGN a foam for surfboards specifically, and quit relying on this mass produced cooler foam.
Whats so cool about styro foam? its styrofoam for christs sake. its not egineered for surfboards…BUT all the new PU
blanks popping up are DESIGNED for surfboards…not coffee cups.The excitement right now is in the 6 or so new PU blank makers trying to make the best SURFBOARD foam possible. Using MDI based PU is a great concept being pushed now (No TDI)PU blanks will become more light and firm and can be glassed with little cloth to remain lively…
I see a future of GOOD, NEW epoxies and Great new PU blanks combined to make the best boards ever. I am talking about an epoxy that is UV curing or somthing like that , so it has a instant flip time and factories will not need to be completly redesigned to operate with it. There is less waste and the increased cost of the resin is somewhat negated due to less used per board. These are the types of things coming soon from actual CHEMISTS who are now interested in our industry.Unfortunatly for Mr Loehr…If he doesnt improve his resin…he and his splinter faction of loyal followers will be the ones left behind.
So the way I see it, …Lost has brought to market many many different ways to make boards that are stronger and lighter, and has looked at all options, and offers the best available to the public…while still understanding and focusing on the state of the art, highest accepted proformance levels of PU blanks/polyester resin boards. (While it seems Mr Loehr is only operating on one front and attacking all others)
I guess he got mad cus I said he sounded like Buckwheat at the Cerritos College seminars (No offence, its a free country and his accent reminded me of Buckwheat). "