Has anyone tried the McCoy Nugget? His ideas seem interesting, but the shape is on the strange side. SteveA http://www.mccoysurfboards.com
Has anyone tried the McCoy Nugget? His ideas seem interesting, but the > shape is on the strange side. SteveA Not to be unkind, but I bearly made it through this website
s outrageously pompous statements and implied promises; Geoffs meteoric rise and sad, unfortunate fall is an all to common story in the business world when you decide to step down from the hassle and limitations of running a personal,“hands on” operation… but for a less ego-centric perspective with more historical clarity (from someone whos already been there and back), please ask Dale Velzy if he didnt design and shape boards much like these… 30 or 40+ years ago.
Not to be unkind, but I bearly made it through this website
s outrageously > pompous statements and implied promises; Geoffs meteoric rise and sad, > unfortunate fall is an all to common story in the business world when you > decide to step down from the hassle and limitations of running a > personal,“hands on” operation… but for a less ego-centric > perspective with more historical clarity (from someone whos already been > there and back), please ask Dale Velzy if he didnt design and shape > boards much like these… 30 or 40+ years ago. Wow! Dale…don’t hold back on us dude…tell us how you really feel! JC
All things aside, how does this kind of shape perform? SteveA
Wow! Dale…don’t hold back on us dude…tell us how > you really feel! JC My apologies, JC… my point about asking someone like Dale Velzy is simple: shapers operate in a closed system (with the “wheel” being commercially re-invented many times), and for a design perspective from higher ground, it
s not presumptuous to seek the opinions of some of our very best sources (while theyre still with us!) of decades long, wide-range shaping… a “see the present through the eyes of the past” sort of thing. Speaking of Dale Velzy, a while back, C.R.Steyck did a really interesting piece on him in The Surfer`s Journal.
but for a less ego-centric > perspective with more historical clarity (from someone who
s already been > there and back), please ask Dale Velzy if he didnt design and shape > boards much like these… 30 or 40+ years ago. So what? How does these boards ride? Is it bad that Dave Velzy made boards simmilar to those Geoff is making? I thought Dave was a good shaper? The design also have very distinct similarities to George Greenough’s designs whom he claims to have learned from. The design kind of made sense to me, wide in the back for plan area where you need it most. I’ve got an email from someone when asking around for a smallwave board, he really liked the board except he had problems sinking the tail in whitewater. -H
Steve, The shorter models will certainly be really fast in mushy/flat waves but rather hard to control at speed in hollow and large waves. I would say it would be a great board for all around summer type conditions at point and beach breaks. When the waves have any power I would move up to the longer McCoy models (not so wide in the rear). Just my opinion. Swaylock
So what? How does these boards ride? Is it bad that Dave Velzy made boards > simmilar to those Geoff is making? I thought Dave was a good shaper? The > design also have very distinct similarities to George Greenough’s designs > whom he claims to have learned from.>>> The design kind of made sense to me, wide in the back for plan area where > you need it most. I’ve got an email from someone when asking around for a > smallwave board, he really liked the board except he had problems sinking > the tail in whitewater.>>> -H Without some historical perspective, many things we assign value in life would be much less meaningful, including surfboard design. I only made mention of Dale Velzy because of he is one of surfing
s true living treasures. I reckon his perspective on this subject is relevant in part because he was surfing, shaping and operating a successful business before a number of todays surfboard builders were even born. As for George Greenough, he has discussed with me numerous times that his primary focus has always been in creating tuned hulls that feature a wide operating range, efficiently balancing speed and maneuverability from the mid-section, not by control based over a thick, widepoint-behind-the-center, needle-nosed, multi-finned tail. In fact, George is another example of an individual who is the embodiment of a surfing treasure, from whom we can all still derive much inspiration and knowledge. As I said before, I sincerely apologize for my harsh comments regarding the written content of the McCoy website.
Without some historical perspective, many things we assign value in life > would be much less meaningful, including surfboard design. I only made > mention of Dale Velzy because of he is one of surfing
s true living > treasures. I reckon his perspective on this subject is relevant in part > because he was surfing, shaping and operating a successful business before > a number of todays surfboard builders were even born.>>> As for George Greenough, he has discussed with me numerous times that his > primary focus has always been in creating tuned hulls that feature a wide > operating range, efficiently balancing speed and maneuverability from the > mid-section, not by control based over a thick, > widepoint-behind-the-center, needle-nosed, multi-finned tail. In fact, > George is another example of an individual who is the embodiment of a > surfing treasure, from whom we can all still derive much inspiration and > knowledge.>>> As I said before, I sincerely apologize for my harsh comments regarding > the written content of the McCoy website. Dale, you imply here that Greenough’s design insight and knowlege is accessible to us all. I’m not trying to be a smart ass but in all sincerity how do I access that information. I’m intrested in his designs and theories but haven’t been able to find any comprehensive, in depth literature on it at all. Hell, I’m even curious about him as a person. I live on the east coast and by chance met up with a transplant from California who is a knee boarder. He had never even heard of Greenough. I knew more myself and the extent of that was that I had heard him mentioned briefly in a few articles and seen the clip in “The Endless Summer”…was that really him? I get the feel’n that maybe he or the people around him might like to keep him an enigmatic figure or someth’n. You say you’ve had discussion with him. Do you have to be a close friend or does he share his top secret info freely to anyone who’s interested. Has any of it been published in any way? Point me in the right direction.
Dale, you imply here that Greenough’s design insight and knowlege is accessible to us all. I’m not trying to be a smart ass but in all sincerity how do I access that information. I’m intrested in his designs and theories but haven’t been able to find any comprehensive, in depth literature on it at all. Hell, I’m even curious about him as a person. I live on the east coast and by chance met up with a transplant from California who is a knee boarder. He had never even heard of Greenough. I knew more myself and the extent of that was that I had heard him mentioned briefly in a few articles and seen the clip in “The Endless Summer”…was that really him? I get the feel’n that maybe he or the people around him might like to keep him an enigmatic figure or someth’n. You say you’ve had discussion with him. Do you have to be a close friend or does he share his top secret info freely to anyone who’s interested. Has any of it been published in any way? Point me in the right direction KC, Paul Gross, who worked closely with George in years past, has written a number of fine articles that to one degree or another, explore Georges designs, surfing, photography, etc. and particularly those of recent note in The Surfers Journal like “George Greenough, Ageless Artist” and “Inflatable Dreams”. In the 1970s, I was directed to George by Bob Duncan, long-time owner/shaper of Wilderness Surfboards (<a href="http://www.wildernesssurfboards.com">www.wildernesssurfboards.com</a>) in Santa Barbara, a great person to speak with and learn from in his own right... Anyway, weve had many long, productive discussions, off and on, since the 1970s, and I have always found George to be very generous with his time and knowledge. A conversation may begin with something like the internal structure of high performance surfmats and an hour later find yourself listening to him delineate the construction and tuning of his latest carbon fiber Aboriginal musical instruments... or how his epoxy/carbon sailboard masts are formed and tempered... or whats involved with swimming underwater and bodysurfing among a group of dolphins, documenting it with a personally re-invented, baby dolphin-shaped, 35 mm movie camera… at 60 years of age… you get the idea. If you have the time (George will encourage you to evaluate and experiment for yourself), there is a fair amount of Greenough info and photos to study on the web (especially Australian), and you can also go to Harold Ward`s www.georgegreenough.com which offers his phone number in Australia; he prefers not to write, type or do email; and he is most always busy, occupied with multiple projects. Like most of us, he guards his privacy and time, so leaving a brief message on his answering machine is customary. As always, respect and a willingness to listen are your best calling cards; I always take notes. You are correct, that was George in the Endless Summer, at Sandspit, on an early balsa kneeboard. Dale
Dale, you imply here that Greenough’s design insight and knowlege is > accessible to us all. I’m not trying to be a smart ass but in all > sincerity how do I access that information. I’m intrested in his designs > and theories but haven’t been able to find any comprehensive, in depth > literature on it at all. Hell, I’m even curious about him as a person. I > live on the east coast and by chance met up with a transplant from > California who is a knee boarder. He had never even heard of Greenough. I > knew more myself and the extent of that was that I had heard him mentioned > briefly in a few articles and seen the clip in “The Endless > Summer”…was that really him? I get the feel’n that maybe he or the > people around him might like to keep him an enigmatic figure or someth’n. > You say you’ve had discussion with him. Do you have to be a close friend > or does he share his top secret info freely to anyone who’s interested. > Has any of it been published in any way? Point me in the right direction>>> KC,>>> Paul Gross, who worked closely with George in years past, has written a > number of fine articles that to one degree or another, explore George
s > designs, surfing, photography, etc. and particularly those of recent note > in The Surfers Journal like “George Greenough, Ageless Artist” > and “Inflatable Dreams”.>>> In the 1970s, I was directed to George by Bob Duncan, long-time > owner/shaper of Wilderness Surfboards (<a href="http://www.wildernesssurfboards.com">www.wildernesssurfboards.com</a>) in > Santa Barbara, a great person to speak with and learn from in his own > right... Anyway, weve had many long, productive discussions, off and on, > since the 1970s, and I have always found George to be very generous with > his time and knowledge. A conversation may begin with something like the > internal structure of high performance surfmats and an hour later find > yourself listening to him delineate the construction and tuning of his > latest carbon fiber Aboriginal musical instruments... or how his > epoxy/carbon sailboard masts are formed and tempered... or whats involved > with swimming underwater and bodysurfing among a group of dolphins, > documenting it with a personally re-invented, baby dolphin-shaped, 35 mm > movie camera… at 60 years of age… you get the idea.>>> If you have the time (George will encourage you to evaluate and experiment > for yourself), there is a fair amount of Greenough info and photos to > study on the web (especially Australian), and you can also go to Harold > Ward`s www.georgegreenough.com which offers his phone number in Australia; > he prefers not to write, type or do email; and he is most always busy, > occupied with multiple projects. Like most of us, he guards his privacy > and time, so leaving a brief message on his answering machine is > customary. As always, respect and a willingness to listen are your best > calling cards; I always take notes.>>> You are correct, that was George in the Endless Summer, at Sandspit, on an > early balsa kneeboard.>>> Dale Okay Dale, I’ll check into the Surfer’s Journal for articles. Thanks!
Sufer’s Journal also featured George Greenough in a broadcast on TV. They offer videos for sale - Vol. 2 has something on him but I’m not sure if it’s the same as the show I saw on TV. Website: see below http://www.surfersjournal.com
Okay Dale, I’ll check into the Surfer’s Journal for articles. Thanks! KC, The Surfers Journal Article contains an excellent photographic chronicle of the Greenough’s creations. You HAVE to see that article – a picture is worth a thousand words…
KC,>>> The Surfers Journal Article contains an excellent photographic chronicle > of the Greenough’s creations. You HAVE to see that article – a picture is > worth a thousand words… Thanks John and Swaylock, that’s an old saying but so,so true.