I’ve got an 8’8"E blank and I’m thinking 8’6" noserider @ 18 3/4"x 23 1/2"x 15" 3 1/8" thick with the 23 1/2" being 3" fwd of center. Does this sound workable? Ready to get rollin! Thanks JR
I hope the pros come in after my post, but I couldn’t resist a response. I threw an 8-6 x 23.5 onto my chart. The board is pretty wide for its length. For an outline to look good I think it needs some curve to the tail and nose rails. I think your outline would look and work better with a fuller tail and nose. A 15.5" to 15.7" tail and a 19" to 19.2" nose would help round into your 23.5" mid-board width. Just my opinion, but I just looked at your board. I can port matrices onto the bb, but I want to hear some other opinions first. Would an 8-6 x 23.5 board function well as a noserider?>>> I’ve got an 8’8"E blank and I’m thinking 8’6" noserider @ 18 > 3/4"x 23 1/2"x 15" 3 1/8" thick with the 23 1/2" > being 3" fwd of center. Does this sound workable? Ready to get > rollin! Thanks JR
I have an 8’6" Surfboards Hawaii, shaped in '93 by Hank Byzak. Dimensions are: Nose- 18.75" Mid- 22.5 Tail- 14.25 Thickness- 2.875. Fin setup is 2+1,low entry rocker and overall a flat rockered board. I prefer to ride this as a single in larger surf and as a trifin in smaller waves. It is an interesting board to have in the quiver. TS>>> I’ve got an 8’8"E blank and I’m thinking 8’6" noserider @ 18 > 3/4"x 23 1/2"x 15" 3 1/8" thick with the 23 1/2" > being 3" fwd of center. Does this sound workable? Ready to get > rollin! Thanks JR
what are you looking at my board on? where do you get your matrices? I just got a copy of autocad 14 to see if i could use it some how but its going to take a while for me to figure out.
I’m making a board design program. I plan to sell it, so it’s kinda proprietary. I’m having trouble bringing it all together in a user friendly, stand-alone form. About once a week I fail at something and decide to give it away. So far, greed is still driving me on. If you have Autocad, the easiest way to design an outline is with bezier curves. Bezier curves are splines which touch the control points, instead of merely “tending” toward them. You should be able to warp the control points with a mouse. At least TurboCad lets you do that. Put the control points at the outline ends, 12" lines, and offset line. Then warp only the nose and tail points.
Great. I have a couple of 8-6’s. My 8-6 mal approaches your board’s dimensions. I weigh 175. Like your mini-mal, my board is a sweet a performer. However, I can’t approach the nose. I think a board needs to be pretty long to reliably noseride. The idea is for the fin to hold the wall, and the tail rocker to suck down. I think the moment of these forces should be far enough from the nose to counter-torque the rider’s weight on the nose. Lift from a hollow, wider nose would allow for a shorter noserider, but 8-6? An 8-6 would probably make a better noserider for a 120 lb surfer.>>> I have an 8’6" Surfboards Hawaii, shaped in '93 by Hank Byzak. > Dimensions are: Nose- 18.75" Mid- 22.5 Tail- 14.25 Thickness- 2.875. > Fin setup is 2+1,low entry rocker and overall a flat rockered board. I > prefer to ride this as a single in larger surf and as a trifin in smaller > waves. It is an interesting board to have in the quiver.>>> TS
I’d agree with you. This board was the result of a trade deal. I’ve never really considered it a noserider. I’m 155 lbs. and it is still pushing it to stay on the tip for a any length of time. It is a fun board for those days when riding the tail on a longboard is the call, usually I’ll put a modfied trifin setup in and use it that way. This board is one that really taught me how important fins, placement and posistioning can be to get the most out of a board. Hank (his label is Pure Fun BTW)is a talented shaper who has been around for quite a few years, originally from N.Y. I believe.>>> Great. I have a couple of 8-6’s. My 8-6 mal approaches your board’s > dimensions. I weigh 175. Like your mini-mal, my board is a sweet a > performer. However, I can’t approach the nose.>>> I think a board needs to be pretty long to reliably noseride. The idea is > for the fin to hold the wall, and the tail rocker to suck down. I think > the moment of these forces should be far enough from the nose to > counter-torque the rider’s weight on the nose. Lift from a hollow, wider > nose would allow for a shorter noserider, but 8-6?>>> An 8-6 would probably make a better noserider for a 120 lb surfer.
I’ve got an 8’8"E blank and I’m thinking 8’6" noserider @ 18 > 3/4"x 23 1/2"x 15" 3 1/8" thick with the 23 1/2" > being 3" fwd of center. Does this sound workable? Ready to get > rollin! Thanks JR Your measurements sound fine to me…Although 8’6" is rather short for a noserider, an 18 3/4" should be plenty wide to perch on…I tend to put my widths at center on all my boards…But thats just me… Aloha, FD
Yes AutoCAD uses bezier curves. Its ok to use this method for you outline shape as it will give you exact measurements for beautiful curves. You have to be careful on how much you use it though. It will work if you give mesurements of nose width, max width, tail width and squash or pintail width. It WILL NOT work on a rounded nose unless you give it a bunch more control points within the 1 foot parameter of the nose section otherwise you’ll end up with a pointed nose. You basically end up free drafting your nose on computer if you want something more blunt like a fatty McTavish nose shape. I skip this step and draw in the nose shape freehand on the foam. Seeing is believing. And personally your design is too FAT!
I think we have failed to communicate. My design is too “FAT” for an 8-6 performer for an average sized adult male. But for a NOSERIDER for that same male, without lengthening the board, fatter would be better, wouldn’t it? I’m used to using TurboCad Pro 7.0 (TCP7). After defining control points on a TCP7 bezier curve, you may choose the “node edit” tool. From there TCP7 works exactly the same as the DAT surfboard design editor. Each control point appears as a “node”. Each end of line node has a line and a warp point extending from it. Mid-line control points have two warp points on either side. You use your cursor to move the warp points. The warp points warp the bezier line as it goes through each control point. With warp points, you can warp the nose curve to create a rounded nose. With my statement “You should be able to warp the control points with a mouse. At least TurboCad lets you do that.”, I meant that I didn’t know if this action was possible in AutoCad. From your post, warping is either unavailable in AutoCad, or you haven’t found it yet. However, I erred in writing that JR should only warp the end control points. The offset points should be warped to parallel the stringer, and the 12" points should be warped to smoothe the transition between mid-board curves and end curves. -Noodle>>> Yes AutoCAD uses bezier curves. Its ok to use this method for you outline > shape as it will give you exact measurements for beautiful curves. You > have to be careful on how much you use it though. It will work if you give > mesurements of nose width, max width, tail width and squash or pintail > width. It WILL NOT work on a rounded nose unless you give it a bunch more > control points within the 1 foot parameter of the nose section otherwise > you’ll end up with a pointed nose. You basically end up free drafting your > nose on computer if you want something more blunt like a fatty McTavish > nose shape. I skip this step and draw in the nose shape freehand on the > foam. Seeing is believing. And personally your design is too FAT!
Lets look at it this way. A 200 lb person noserider might be a 10’er and have a width of 23" to 23.5". A 170 lb person noserider might be a 9’er and have a width of 22". This decreasing width progression keeps going down as rider weight and board length decrease. So why would a 8’6" (blank), which will end up around 8’4" be 23.5" wide? First off to the original post: I hope your in the superfly weight, 120 - 140 lbs, otherwise you’re not going to make a 8’4" noserider. If you are, you need to bring down all your width measurements. Look at some www. sites like brucejones.com or longboard mag, they always have some specs for longboards for lighter people in the mid 8’ range.