Used Meguiars Swirl remover 2.0 to seal/polish the sanded finish on several color tinted boards and it came out uneven and shitty looking, gets band finger/hand prints. They were sanded to 220, the swirl remover was applied with a wool pad on a rotary sander. I think the Meguiars Swirl remover is for polishing gloss but from my understanding it could be used to polish out the sanded finish.
Whats a better product to use to buff out sanded finish on color tinted boards?
Go a couple of grits further; 400 or 600. Meguiars is meant to be used on gloss and rub out. 220 won't polish. I usually stop at 220 or 320 and wipe it down with sealer and then burnish it with a fine 3M pad under an orbital. I don't go any further unless I have done a poor sanding job on my hotcoat. If you sand it to 400 you can also spray a clear coat . Acouple of coats of sealer burnished gives a sanded hot coat a nice satin finish.
For sanded finishes, what sealer do you use and are the you talking about using a 3M scotch brite pad?
Right , 3m Scotchbrite pad. I think the purple ones are the finest, although I used some white ones for awhile that were fine enough. Any kind of acrylic sealer or floor wax . Used to buy Futures at Walmart, but haven't seen that brand in awhile. By "burnishing" it you get the wax just hot enough to flow out and shine. Just like doing a commmercial floor.
kook’d it and used the wrong pad I got from grainger: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=4ZR23&op=search&Ntt=4ZR23&N=0&sst=subset
scratched up the deck and had to redo finish sanding
i think i found the right ones online: superfine scotch brite 7 in disc
do the green rentangular pads available at home depot work just as well?
Stick with the maroon or white. The black/gray and green are too coarse. I'll find a link for you on ebay for the maroon pads. You could use the green pads if you washed dishes with it for a couple of weeks before you touched a board with it. I'll get back to you with a link. Lowel
hey Lowel
hope you are well.
if I may ask,,,, what are your steps in achieving a polished gloss?
you know,, grit , pads and polish and buffing methods and tools
peace
3M has a 3 stage system called PerfectIt or something like that. Three stages of compound/polish along with three polisher pads. Blue cap, blue pad, black cap, black pad, etc… kind of idiot proof. I know someone that used it to polish up a buck for a fiberglass mold and was absolutely stunned with the results.
Take a look here. http://3mcollision.com/media/documents/brochure/3M_Perfect-It_Paint_Finishing_System.pdf
Now this was used on a painted buck for a home built dashboard, so it may or may not work on the gloss coat itself in quite the same way, but maybe something to look into nonetheless.
Maguires and 3M are the same company...always buy quality 3m products. perfect it is..good. so is all the other stuff. Just know what you are doing before rubbing one out.
Swirl compound is just that...swirl compound. Polish is well...polish they are different, and made for different jobs. That's why they sell 50 different kinds if compounds, polishes and waxes.
Maguires Boat and RV 91 is a great one step product. it's made for fiberglass, just not paint. But you got to get the scratches out first.
Anyhow as mentioned 220 wont polish out, neither will 320 or 400 so good. All you are going to get is shiny scratches. You need to get to at least 500 on up to polish out. The 91 RV stuff works at 500 grit. It has an abrasive that will remove swirls at first, but then it has a residual polish that can be buffed out to a high luster.
Buy quality products only...buy quality 3M.
Related question:
I just sanded a board to 320. I’d like to get a nice satin finish on it. I just got some scotch brite grey and white and was going to cut them in circles and put them on a velcro backed sanding pad. Should I buff it raw, or use some compound? I have 3M Perfect it compound.
Thanks
Resinhead - Are you recommending Maguires Boat and RV 91 for a gloss finish only? Do you apply it with a wool pad?
I’m looking for a good setup for getting a nice satin finish on something sanded out to 220 or 320. Having a hard time finding the right scotch brite pads for a 7" in disc. Awaiting McDings link…or if anyone else has a source post it.
Jaime- Where did you get those pads
I got them for $1 a piece at an Auto Body supply place. They are 6"x9" rectangles. I put them on the pad and just cut out around the perimeter to make the circle. They are not “scotch brite” brand, they are another brand. The grey is fine and the white is finer. It seems to leave a nice satin finish on top of the 320. I didn’t use any compound, just buffed it dry.
http://surfsource.net/store/category/sanding_finishing/
glue it on an old power pad or put it an a hook and loop velcro pad. maroon is more abrasive than the grey. it will help take out some scratches. use it dry after 320 for a nice matte finish. use it will some polish or compound and it gives a silky smooth finish but will show scratches more. the polish can sometimes help blend in weave spots.
the grey is good after 400 grit and polishes out more. sand to 400 taking out all the scratches (hard to do) and buff with some polish and you will have a beautiful ‘satin’ finish that will give a reflection when you look at it at a low angle. if your sanding is not dead on, you will see all the lumps and bumps though. red pad dry after 320 is a dummy proof nice finish.
.02 from backyarder
I’ve seen that Fiberglass hawaii stocks most of the various grains, but for finishing off a 320 or 400 sanding google-
3M Scotch-Brite Pads 7448 (and/or 7445)
for example:
http://www.amazon.com/Scotch-BriteTM-Ultra-Fine-Pads-MMM7448/dp/B00125PR5A/ref=pd_cp_hi_2
cut the corners off to fit your 7" soft pad if you want, but I just spray glue temp adhesive on a soft foam backed ferro pad and slap it on as is. IME you get a couple shortboards out of a grey pad, the white ones are very fine & much less dense and don’t last very long.
I go to 320 with a soft pad on the sander, then wet sand by hand with either 400 then 600, or just stop at 400 on mine.
On the future floor wax, what’s up with the white streaking after going out in the water? I’ve used it a couple of times, but I always get these white ghosting runs at random spots. Am I not putting enough coats on (3) or doing something wrong?
pompano...dude, it's a floor wax. never meant to be a water sealer. Might as well rub bees wax on it? The stuff wears off in a few surfs.
Boat & RV 91 is for a shiny surfboard. No need to put it on if you don't want a shine. I thought you were looking for a shiney board.
Anyhow I always learned all surfboards got a gloss coat,...The gloss, that's the sealer. Then depending on the finish you want, that was the grit or polish out. if you wanted a sanded finish look you took it down to 320 grit and stopped there. If you want a shiny, you took it to 500 or 600, then polish out.
If you are doing a sanded board then a sealer, I think a better sealer is either a clear acrylic spray, or UPOL. It makes a more uniform and professional look. But it will still show burn outs where your big moke hands pressed too hard with the ol sander.
Re-read his post. He's not looking for a gloss and polish. He's looking for a minimal or swirl free finish on a sanded hotcoat with a sealer that will prevent handprints etc.
Try this ---- Ebay-----item # 270669073907 yoursandingsource
Glass shops have been wiping "secret sauce" (ie acrylic) on sanded hotcoats for years.
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Used Meguiars Swirl remover 2.0 to seal/polish the sanded finish on several color tinted boards and it came out uneven and shitty looking, gets band finger/hand prints. They were sanded to 220, the swirl remover was applied with a wool pad on a rotary sander. I think the Meguiars Swirl remover is for polishing gloss but from my understanding it could be used to polish out the sanded finish.
Whats a better product to use to buff out sanded finish on color tinted boards?
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wow......the confusion.....lets go real slow......
swirl remover removes swirls....nothing else....swirls are created by buffing pads buffing out really fine sanded paint or resin...buffing out proper sanded 1000 grit or finer..... not 220.... Swirl remover does not SEAL.
Lots of opinoins and methods on Swaylocks....Most of them really good....here's how we do it at the Low Tech Lab
Surfboard gets Lam and hot coated...surfboard gets sanded with 100 grit....surfboard gets a second hot coat or "gloss coat"......surf board gets sanded with 220 and 320 mostly wet by hand. Surfboard gets a few swipes of floor polish...and then a smooth out with a pad by hand.........nice and slow...cheat all you want....quality takes time and money...I don't make money building surfboards...........Ray