My fish is in the works, and I'm STOKED!

Grabbed a 6,2c from Mitch’s and took it to Steve Clark up on Westlake.

VERY friendly guy. Had a wonderful conversation. Seems we are connected. I grew up with his son-in-law. Small world. And he even stayed at my father’s cabin in Idyllwild, the Shingled Shanty.

Had a great time talking about North County and watching him outline the board.

The final fish measurements are: 6,1 x 22 wide x 18 nose x 17 tail. The pintails are set twelve inches apart and about 7.5 inches deep. It will ride insane. Keep your eyes on all the magazines for center spreads of me ripping at Swamis (Oops, did I say Swamis?). Nah, just kidding. But it will ride great.

It’s going to get marine ply fins, the real deal. It will be about 95% retro, with some very minor modifications.

I got to see Joel Tudor’s fish that is being restored. Very cool.

You must be one real big boy!

The rep for Quicksilver, at 185lbs., rides a 5’6" x 22.5 Lis fish.

It was REALLY floaty and easy to catch waves with for me at 55 years old, surfing once a month.

Fairmont,

I’ve been following your fish odyssey with interest. Just a couple of questions:

What is Steve Clark’s shaping background?

Did you purchase a Classic weight blank and if not why?

Once you decide on a glass shop are you getting 7.5/10 oz Volan? Fins?

I assume your approach will be less expensive than buying off the rack or placing an order for a custom.

Fairmont / Swaylockians:

For traditional San Diego style old school fish who would you choose if price wasn’t the prime motivator?

Brom

Frye (availability is a question mark)

JT

Pavel

Hanel

Christenson

Stu Kenson

Tim Stamps (Harbour)

Hobie

G&S

Mandala

KG

Robin P (South Coast)

Bruce Jones

Other?

Thanks, John

If I had to choose it would be Christensen or other (“other” being “me”)

Ride on! Tom

I went with Brom (5’6" red tint volan) and I’m totally happy.

Nilus

Steve Brom

I just ordered a FISH from Steve Brom (check went out today)

I also have a Quad from Mandala, which is a sweet board although I requested he make it a little longer than his suggestion (another bright idea, figure you know more than the shaper LOL)

I’m 45, during a physical this year I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. Surgery is August 19th and will require 6-8 weeks out of the water for recovery . (Right in the prime of the East Coast surf season LOL)

Prognosis is fairly good but I figured I would spend the money to have a chance to ride one of the Magic Man’s sticks. Everything I have read about them, and everyone I’ve talked to that has one has been extremely positive. Also I called Steve twice to discuss it, both times he answered the phone and was very helpful- willing to talk and discuss details, pro’s/con’s etc.

A brand new FISH from Brom waiting to be ridden will be a great incentive to heal and get back in the water!

Good waves to all

Jim N

I wanted to toss the name ‘Brian Wynn’ out to anyone on the East Coast that is looking for a local connection for a retro fish. Brian is over in Vineland, NJ and he’s doing some fantastic stuff there.

I’ve toured his facility and it’s a real class-act operation. While walking through, it was immediatly apparent that retro stuff is his particular obession. Anyone looking, especially if you’re in the neighborhood, would not be disapointed throwing his name into the decision list.

Best,

HerbB

I have a fish from Gary Hanel and am super happy! I think all my future fish or bonzer orders will go through him and moonlight…that said of the list presented I would love to have a fish from Frye but I’m not friends with him and Rich Pavel would be my second choice but I heard the wait is painfully long.

I have been lusting over this Balsa/Styro/Epoxy from the legendary Dick van Straalen.

There are a ton of great fish shapers in San Diego. Bob Mitsven is making some great retro fish. There are usually a few at the Surf Club in PB. Brian Frederickson is shaping some nice fish under the old Sunset Surfboards label available in the Solana Beach Surfride.

If you want a modernized version of the retro fish, ie. single concave, modern rails, updated foil, with a classic outline, I highly recommend John Holly. He is an old Ocean Beach Shaper (Seagull Surfboards) that still shapes awesome eggs, longboards, and fish. I have been riding one of his modernized fish all summer, and it’s magic. I think it is more versatile than the retro fish. There has been a lot of design progress since the original fish was made. Even Steve Lis rides modernized fish. It’s all good!

All the best, Jim. May you be up and ripping on that new fish in super quick time - it will be really sweet when you hit the water again. I’m 44 and had my first prostrate check up this year and I thought perhaps I was a bit young - obviously not.

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Fairmont,

I’ve been following your fish odyssey with interest. Just a couple of questions:

What is Steve Clark’s shaping background? Answer: I don’t know. But he does a lot of work for a lot of people, and I’ve seen many of his shapes at Leucadia Surfboards. Plus, we have connections, it seems. I grew up with his son-in-law and he (Steve) stayed at my father’s cabin in Idyllwild a couple times. Small world.

Did you purchase a Classic weight blank and if not why? Answer: I bought the Superblue because Mitch’s only had the 6,2c in superlight and superblue. They had just received a shipment of twelve of those blanks Monday evening, and told me they would be gone the next day. So I showed up at 5:45 and grabbed one.

Once you decide on a glass shop are you getting 7.5/10 oz Volan? Fins?

Answer: This is an interesting one. First, no glass shop within fifty miles would take my board. They are backed up two months. Except The Lab in Oceanside (formerly Morning Glass). They are under new ownership, are still doing a ton of Merricks, but since they are new (same glassers, new owner), they had room to squeeze me in. They told me ten days. I’m stoked on that. Unfortunately, they won’t do Volan, but I figure, oh well. It will come out good anyway. Nothing is perfect. FINS: They are marine ply. Steve Clark got them for me from Bahne. They are the classic retro keel fins. NOTE: Steve marked the fins towed in one eighth of an inch. We discussed this ahead of time, and I asked them to be marked parallel to the stringer. He assured me that I will be much happier if they are pulled in a hair. I trust his judgement and am not worried about it. But thought it was interesting. He said that perfectly parallel fins will lock in and be harder to turn when going fast, and that it was originally set that way for kneeboarders. I am fine with that. I could, however, use some advice on the angle of the fins from the board. What’s that called again?

I assume your approach will be less expensive than buying off the rack or placing an order for a custom. Answer: You got that right. I paid 53 bucks, including tax for the blank and the sheet of rice paper for the cheesy laminates I made. Steve shaped for a great fee, which I won’t disclose, but is more than fair (plus I threw in a twelve pack of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale–not Bud Ice :wink: The fins were twenty-five bucks, and the glass job will run 190. So I am paying a little over three hundred. The cheapest stock board I found was 550, a Kane Garden. So, yes, doing the legwork myself is paying off. Did I mention that the shape is awesome? Exactly what I needed. Excellent rails, deck, nose, tail. The works. Super friendly guy.

Fairmont / Swaylockians:

For traditional San Diego style old school fish who would you choose if price wasn’t the prime motivator?

Answer: If price weren’t an issue, I would go with a Joel Tudor. I’ve been looking at a lot of stock retro fish and have noticed a few points: 1. Channel Islands has radical bottom contours (in my opinion) that depart from the original. 2. Kane Gardens were great, but lacked volan glass. 3. Hynsons had volan, but their rocker was not flat on the deck (my preference is a totally flat deck). 4. Tutor’s had everything I liked. However, as mentioned, I saved half the cost and, truth be told, I am not good enough to really notice subtle differences anyway. I am just out to have fun, learn, and share the experience. Plus, my good friend from the East Coast is coming out in two weeks, and I’d like to surf with him on the fish. I’m an impatient and impulsive (yet friendly) man. If you don’t believe me, ask my wife. FINAL NOTE (and it’s interesting): I was posting at Surfermag.com about this same thing, and someone (you can look it up on the Surfer Discussion bulletin board) private messaged me Steve Lis’s phone number, and told me I had permission to call Steve, per his wife. Now, I don’t know if it was legit, but it was interesting. Many guys told me to jump at the chance to have Steve Lis shape a board for me, since he will (according to the email) be shaping in San Diego for a month (he currently lives in Hawaii?). If the email was real, then I supposed I should do it, but I can’t justify that kind of money to my wife, especially since we are on one income, and my habit of getting a new board every six months is gettin on hers and my nerves. Each new board I buy completes my quiver. Yeah, right. I am still dreaming of a noserider and a gun, a big gun for really big waves that I’ll never ride. So, the board is at the glass shop, and will be done in a week or so. If it doesn’t work out, I’ll wait a while to try something else. But I see no reason why it won’t be a great board. By the way, I was snaked at Swamis the other day while longboarding (Did I say Swamis???) by a kid on a fish. Although I was urked that he took a very good wave that I was already riding, and easily making, I was intrigued by the speed at which he blasted down the line on a 5,6 fish. He was ripping. I kept up because he was way out ahead of the curl, and I knew he was going to cutback, and I actually thought of running him over, but then the calm part of me took over and I cutout right before he roundhoused. But a bunch of guys yelled at him, and he didn’t paddle back out to the main peak, so he got what was coming to him. I paddled over and asked to look at his fish. He was cocky, like I used to be, and full of it. He told me he rode it at fifteen foot Sunset and Pipeline. Okay, sure.

Howzit johnxyz, What about Stevie Lis, in fact he’s supposed to in S.D. area soon. Aloha, Kokua

talked to his wife and he shaped a board for me today. she said that he will only be here a month and the phone is ringing off the hook!! I assume from the call that a very long wait is in store for new orders and most likely shaped in hawaii . With the rebirth of the fish can you imagine how many boards he could make if he wanted??

This has been said before by many others, but I find it amazing that the legends are so accessible to regular guys like myself. I’ll never shoot hoops with Larry Bird (my bball hero), throw a baseball with Cal Ripkin, etc., and I’ll certainly never know what it’s like to play in a World Series, let alone a regular major league baseball game. Hell, I won’t even be allowed on the field. The only way is to jump on, run around, get arrested, and get thrown out.

But in surfing, anyone can walk right up to Pipeline or Waimea, paddle right out, and sit among the legends, and even catch waves, just like they do. It’s humbling and amazing.

Plus, the shapers. They are still here, the ones who started it all. I realize Bob Simmons and a few other greats are gone, but most are alive. Phil Edwards, Dale Velzy, Skip Frye, Takayama, Lis, Lance Carson…it goes on and on.

I was born in 1968, a year that many people agree was the beginning of the shortboard revolution. It was an incredible time to be raised. I still remember seeing longboards (now worth major dollars) collecting cobwebs in back yards and in sheds. They were practically free, and nobody rode them. I remember the eight foot “shortboard” single fins that would bounce toward me in the whitewater as I played. It was a thrill to grab the board and scoot it back out to the surfer as he swam in. He would thank us, and we though, “someday we’ll surf too.”

Our social system, as kids, was not dictated by football, baseball, soccer, etc. We all played those sports, sure, but what defined us was our surfing ability AND our family surfing ability. It was everything to us. Sometimes I wish I could be nine forever, still there in 1977 in Leucadia.

If magic truly exists, we had some, for awhile, just like you probably did. Just like all those above named shapers and surfers did, each in his own place and time, and just like today’s kids.

I have no doubt in my mind that God is partial to surfing. Nothing else in the world of sport compares. Nothing.

I’ve been seeing a lot of input about west coast shapers that are really putting out classic fish. At 49 and 30 years in the water, I decided this year to revisit the shape. Had ridden one back in ‘78 and loved it…well, 26 years and 15 lbs. later I started looking around. Found a guy down in Fla., named Bill McGill of Stormequip surfboards who has been turning out fish for close to 30 years…a little bit differant from the traditional thought, a little fuller through the nose and hips but otherwise a easy paddling, wave catching dream. Mine just got to me the first week of July…6’-18 1/2"-21"-17 1/2"-2 3/4". Interesting looking little stick for gutless east coast waves…I can feel it setting up a little better as we get closer to shoulder/head high surf.

Take a look at www.stormequip.com

(I just went back to the web site…they are changing it. Check back from time to time. Bill McGill does some interesting stuff)

I have been following this discussion with great interest. I’m a little older, 49 and have been in the water almost 40 years. I first surfed a fish shaped by Nathan Gonzales about 1971. Who knows where he is now!? I surfed alot around Point Loma and the huffman brothers used to knee board on the Lis boards. I surfed an updated model by Steve Lis around 1975 which was amazing. 5’9" it was fast, turny, and had a pulled in tail which didn’t slide out as easily as previous designs. I purchased a 7’6" Frye fish about 5 years ago, that I love. Keep fishin.

Thought I’d add another name…I just ordered a fish from Michael Zippi. He glasses for Hap Jacobs. Check out his website at http://www.zippifish.com/.

Salt- Does Zippi shape and glass the Jacobs fishes? I got an e-mail from a guy who told me Zippi could shape a clean custom fish, and that if I wanted Jacobs lams, it would be an additional $70.

Whoops. My question was for BMG.