My Greatest Challenge as a Board Builder... To make a "cool" SUP

I’m sure we’ve all been asked to do it, and the majority of us resisted, i did too,  but I finally gave in and made a Sea Sweeper.  Let’s face it, surfers are broke, I have the tools to do it, the knowledge to make it happen, a family to feed, bills to pay, and getting $1,000 plus per board doesn’t suck either. 

I wanted to make a SUP that was fast, stable, and could turn on a dime.  The ones I’ve seen are floaty, with no concave, and have thick rails that would be hard to bury in a turn.  For the most part, their stability comes from the length of the board which makes for a giant dangerous boat often used by unskilled riders with little knowledge of etiquette. So I took a look at the recent trends affecting shortboard design and I applied some of them on a larger scale. I decided I could go way shorter, a bit wider and throw tons of reverse V concave in it to make give it some stability.

I made some rocker and foil templates and cut 2 of them out of a 12ft long block of foam.  Then, I adjusted one side of my template and cut out the center rocker, way flatter, on both sides to form both the concaves and the “V” in the tail.   I resined the 2 sides together and clamped her down for the night.  So both the V and the concave are already in the blank at this point this makes for way less foam dust in the room and a lot less shaping.   I laid the template down and used a hot-wire router I made to cut the outline and the rail bands, giving the board the step deck look.   At this point the only actual shaping that needed to be done, was turning the rails and smothing out the concaves,  It didn’t take long…

Glassed both sides in the vac bag and then made her pretty with some giant ass laminates.

My favorite thing on the board is my solution to the handle issue.   I had a choice of buying $15 to $30 handles and a $160 install kit, molding my own and free-handing the hole with a router, risking a sloppy job, or getting creative and spending $2 on PVC end caps and $20 on a new Forstner bit… Guess what I did?

All in all, I was really happy with this project and though I swore I’d never make one, I’m gonna be making a bunch more. I finished this one less than a week ago and I’ve received orders for 6 more, most of them for flatwater use for yoga or fishing, thankfully! 4 orders are husband and wife duos wanting his and hers’ paddle boards.  Instead of being beaten down on price by surfers, I ask,“what’s your budget?” because the pricing is all over the place with these boards… That simple question to the customer is the best business move I’ve made yet, no more haggling.  Try it the next time you get an order, you’ll be stoked!

 There is no denying there is a giant market for these beasts and I’d rather take my share than have it go overseas.  







are’nt those cvs colors?

bitchin box,cha-ching.

…ambrose…

finally a cool sup,

congradulations.

esp 

ethical stand paddling

since 1977

How about a ride report in some waves .

hey hof,

thanks for the feedback on the blank question.  loved seeing your work on the assyms and this SUP.  I am digging the overall project; but, especially the handle.  I too would love to hear a ride report and how the PVC end caps hold up.  Keep pushin the envelope man, it’s definitely inspiring.

JD

Great - “outside the box” thinking. Looks like you took some design elements from a Tomo Vanguard.

Like everyone else would love to hear a ride report in the waves. How about some spec’s too. You mention the 12’ Templates but then don’t give the finished dim’s. I think we’re all curious.

Cheers.

SUP’s are stupid…

THIS IS AWESOME!!!..

 

Guys,

I don’t ride them, so the ride report is what I got from the customer.   The board is 8ft by 32".  There is a 1 3/4 inch deep concave that turns to V in the tail.  The Blank started out at 5 1/2" thick and is 3 1/4" thick at the epoxy stringer.  completely straight rocker running through the middle of the board.  Flat rocker on the middle of the rails with 2 1/2" tail rocker and 4 1/2 Nose rocker.

 I definitely borrowed design ques from the vanguard on this one.  That being said, the customer said it was ridiculously stable, more so than his “Mini Mod”.  His wife, who watched from the shore said she saw a noticible difference in speed between the two boards.  She also mentioned that he caught atleast 150 waves over the 2 days he was trying it out.  He said it turned on a dime when he got on the tail.

 Now the bad… I left the nose pretty thick on this one and it comes to a dead stop.  I borrowed rocker numbers from the US Blanks catalog and figured I’d be safe to roll with their numbers. Well the waves here can be fast and round, even on small days, and if there was chop on the water, the wide nose had a tendency to dig and the guy would wipe out.  He said he would have had time to correct it, but there was so much speed that when it tripped him up, it happened really fast.   I had him drop the board back off and tomorrow I’m reshaping some nose channels to give more rocker in parts of the nose and break up that initial dead stop effect he was getting.  So it’s back to the drawing board.

I was really happy with the overall ride report and I hope this fix does the trick.  I don’t want to change the nose shape b/c I 'm a huge believer in this shape and how quickly it reaches a plane.  Keep in mind, the owner is a novice wave paddler, but a former professional cyclist, so the guy is in shape and though he’s not a surfer, he’s an athlete.  I figure a more experienced paddler could anticipate the chop and adjust accordingly, but as a designer, I want this thing to be fool proof to where the guy can just take it out, go fast, and have fun, then tell his friends where he got it.  I’m determined to get it right for him for several reasons, one, he just got his buddy to order one for $300 more than I charged him, and 2, he owns a machine shop that makes “Release Fishing Reels”, so he’s a great guy to have in the rolodex.

thanks again for the interest!

Oh yeah, the handle I drilled it out with forstner bits and used quick kick epoxy which started to get really hot.  I knew it wasn’t the best, but it was what I had and I was on a deadline.  It started to kick and I could fill the heat, so I put ice cubes in the pvc caps, and it seemed to help slow things down…  It feels really solid though.  I cut up a bunch of 9oz scraps and lined the opening with them, then wrapped each cap individually in 9oz cloth before sinking them in there.  so they’re not just floating in foam.  This method saved me $200 bucks atleast.  I was thinking bulling ball grip, then I remembered brass knuckles which kinda works with the whole knife logo.  Though, now I’m making a few for yoga and should probably start thinking of more zen logos than a knife, brass knuckles, and a disco mermaid?

Anything new with your tomo vanguard inspired SUP? Have you made any for some good sup surfers yet?

Magentawave,

The nose kept catching, so the guy brought it back and I carved some big nose concaves to reduce some of the surface area in the nose and add more rocker. The guy said the board was super fast off the go and way more stable than the mini mod that he had been riding.  So I wasn’t upset about making some minor changes, when the whole project was a guess.  I’m making another for a friend of the first customer, and I’m going to round off the nose to avoid any stalling issues, or maybe keep the same outline and bevel the bottom rail of the nose only to add a touch more rocker.   I think a more experienced rider might have been able to ride it more off the tail, but I’ll take any customer with cash and try to make them the best board I can.

thanks for the interest!

g

Good job hofnar.   Using your head on the handle.  You’ll get the rocker/concave issue worked out on future boards…  Lowel

So cool! Great to see guys out there getting creative and putting everything they have into it even if they don’t enjoy riding the board themselves. Look forward to seeing more from you.

There is a lot going on with these “tomo vanguard” style boards. I can’t tell by your photo but the some of the surf SUPS of this design seem to have a wide bevel on the bottom of the rail that  extends to the nose so the rider doesn’t trip over the corners on the nose.

You are obviously a higly skilled shaper so it might be worth your time to read a very long thread about these designs at an Australian forum here http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/DEEP-Oceanboards-72-Minion-Review/?page=1 or here http://tinyurl.com/ohkru22 . This is probably especially important for someone that doesn’t stand up surf because all the “normal” rules for volume and length go out the window with this design just like they do for Tomo’s Vanguard. At that thread there is tons of discussion about what makes these boards work plus lot of photos and videos of the boards being ridden.

I’ve been surfing forever, and I’m a good surfer too, but as stupid and dorky as it looks to see sweepers standing outside like Lerch waiting for a wave, I can tell you that surfing a short high-performance sup is frikkin hard dude and has been one of the most challenging and FUN things that I have ever done in my life. Also, nothing will get you in better shape than a short surf sup will.

 

I hadn’t pulled up this thread for sometime until today.  Just wanted to say thanks for the comments, compliments, and interest in this board.  I look up to so many of you on this site and I try to absorb as much information as I can from it. If I had committed to college the way I have Swaylocks, theres a good chance I’d be a lot wealthier, but definitely not as happy as I am today.   I’m a garage guy that has been building boards for around 5 years now.  My shop has been wiped out by two hurricanes in that time.  It’s the love for building boards and a few positive comments from people on here, that keeps me going and rebuilding.  I gather so much inspiration from the free thinkers on this site. I began building boards because I didn’t see any weird boards (asymmetrics, mini simmons, Tomos, etc) in my local shops until recently. (still no asymmetrics) and because it was getting harder and harder to find a quality vac-bagged epoxy board that wasn’t made over seas.   I sold my quiver of Firewires and bought some tools, and a second hand vac and gave it a go.  150 some boards later, all shaped, glassed, and finished by me, here we are.   I would have made way more boards if I had subbed out the glassing, but I wanted to learn and Swaylocks was the resource I used and continue to use daily.   I recently rented a 2,800 sq ft factory space because I got a sweet deal on the rent and I was running out of room in my garage, plus this space is 3’ higher and less likely to flood.   If any of my fellow Swaylockians happen to be on the East Coast, near Rodanthe.   I’ll be in the old Jobob’s Trading Post building on hwy 12.   I’d love to meet you and give thanks in person.  Mi casa es su casa and I’ll have cold beers waiting!

thanks again,

g

  I’ve used PVC end caps, with a nylon rod through them as leash plugs, without any issues.     Hof’s use would have way less stress/load than a leash plug.     Most likely bulletproof, in Hof’s application.    Creative.

Hey G - I surf down that way all the time I will stop in sometime and say Hi!.  Dp you ever talk with Tim Nolte about vac bagging epoxy?

Jim N 

Jim,

Tim Nolte is a good friend and he was my landlord for around 4 years.  I rented his home in waves when I was first dabbling in boards and it already had a shaping room set up in the garage. I speak with him on a regular basis and try to pick his brain for any info he’s willing to leak.

I look forward to meeting you,

g

Hey G - Small world, Tim is a friend of mine, I’ve gottena lot of  boards from him over the last 20 years- In fact I just picked up a new one today - he does exceptional work

I will be in Rodanthe sat - I will try to stop by and look you up

Merry Christmas

Jim Norton