Never Wet on surfboard bottoms.........Faster??

General Discussion
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some interesting and importance reads by a now deceased fellow “thinker tinkler”

http://www.rodndtube.com/surf/info/info_images/SfrMagV9N6-69-01.pdf

http://www.rodndtube.com/surf/info/info_images/SfrMagV10N2-69-05.pdf

 

originally published in 1969 and part of my “design upbringing”

 

like I said in the early 70’s we were much more open minded and less confined about maintaining the status quo to make a buck from  it all.

 

seems like every new and great thing posted here was in effect a way to sell someone’s product no matter how “core” they wish to be looked at.

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well, that’s a bummer. …still gonna give it a shot on some flat water stuff, maybe it’ll wear better on racing hulls. 12’-6" in the que for a sanding, I’ll send a ride report this weekend.

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**…Never Wet is sick. **Session today, a MUST now for my paddles. Amazing entry and exit water shedding; more like frictionless water-evasion. Even sticks to the electrical tape that protects the rim of my paddle blade.

****Application patterns on boards: that’s up for debate. IMHO: spray it where air and water potentially mix

I sprayed heavy on the deck, heavy at the nose. Taped off at where the rail downed to flat. Sprayed my big Kalama training paddle. Leaves a stealth SR-71 anti-Soviet blueish radar jamming hue on your carbon finish. did some smudge tests: water still bounces off. water spheres on my deck pad (and that was masked-off)–so wear a respirator, the stuff is micro, micro propellant.

I have a feeling Rustoleum (or licenser) will improve the bond. This tech isn’t going away, it’ll only improve.

Awesome deck clearing when the nose dives under surface chop & wakes.

Fully submerged gear: up for debate; if you got the scratch, test it and post your ride report. I left the rear underside uncoated at 400 grit disc followed by a maroon scotch brite hand finish. The underside nose (front 1/3rd) where slight rocker pulls up was coated in a forward V pattern…Might test a fin, but I doubt NeverWet fins on open water hulls will glide better

Props to Oneula & Bill. Tons of debate left for waves & paddling, but I’m stoked for these long paddles. My setup is more effiicent as a result. Most notably the paddle; in-out of the water all day, thousands of times per day.

If Ross tech is listening right now, I’d ask for 2 things: 1) improve the delivery method so we can shoot it from our own sprayers 2)improve top coat durability (maybe #1 is related to #2, not an expert, but definitely can foresee improvement there).

 

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Looks like this might be good for those that race SUPs. 

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the push for anecdotal evidence becomes more anecdotal.If a true measure for standup was your quest then testing on a course with consistent as best you could multiple users before and after.Yes none here have the time or science based testing or funds,In the end as my brother used to say chrome makes it go faster.My concern is the impact on enviorment . There was a comment how we may or are great polluters anyway so was that to say why try to not be? I do not feel the writer of that comment intended that but  was defending a position in a moment of debate.We would not dump a barrel of acetone in the ocean because we know better somewhere in the world its going on right now just like medical waste pirates.My point is as that stuff shears off in the water the pebble in the water effect takes place so use caution and discreation in any quest we are in the end all responsible for the place that soothes our souls.The more crap we keep out of the ocean the better future generations will benifit but surfing is a very selfish sometimes self surving pursuit. Come to Maui and see the stand up clowns bumping rails with children trying to surf in 1/2 foot begineers waves but that is another story for another time…

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yeah totally

…from my experience with it on lakes, the product doesn’t shear or pull off; it’s paint, similar to automotive paint millions of people have on their boards already. It’s a textured paint. what’s happening is the water–albeit fresh or salinated–consits of minerals, dirt, particles, etc. These microscopic elements in the water eventually cling to the Never Wet texture. It then dimmishes it’s hydrophibicity. Oils from your hands, legs (sitiitng on the board, etc). In a pure H2O state, the coating would have infinite function and attack angle against water. But after miles of plowing through water, the coating traps minute solids from the environment…So you buff it off with a scotch bright pad and recoat. probably best served for racing applications. In heavy surf, sand and high PSI wipeouts. would probably abrade a lot of this material off. So yeah, the cost of the product will probably delegate how it gets used. But this bond will eventually improve in years to come. 

@ Privateer:  after a couple sessions now I can tell this coating nearly eliminates the back pull & twist from the water as you relase your paddle in a wringing technique. So, in a way it creates a smoother stroke, a variation in technique, possibly allowing for more efficient training, it might get recovering or DL sufferers out paddling instead of sitting on their ass in front the computer bashing humans for being humans. Has more to do with testing idea than being lazy or a hater or new tech. It’s still a workout. Still just as fun with the coating on or off.

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we are all dead already

you just haven’t realized it yet

takes about 50-80 years 

for some its shorter 

for some its longer

but eventualy you realize

you are dead

 

enjoy,

do what you can.

and say “I love you”

or “I appreciate that”

to those you love

each and every day

doing the best you can do

until it hits you…

you’re dead and were dead all along…

and in the grand scale of things

your time here was true insignificant in the end

so don’t kid your self

 

what’s that movie line??

" i love yah guys"…

before Jan Michael Vincent paddles out on big red

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trying not to get too heated…

just had an argument with a friend about chlorine bleach and it’s uses in treating municipal water & human waste water. Without chlorine, we’d be swimming in surf highly contaminated with hepatitis and bacteria. Think it’s bad now, without this ‘horrible’ chem tech, we’d cease to exist like we do today.

Sucks to be a human. But hey: sucks a lot less to be a human with knowledge of chemistry.  

Apply your coatings correctly like Thrailkill resounded; don’t do a half-assed job w/wax on your board or the stuff will wear off too easy. And Privateer makes great points here, but if I was him, I’d go after the Rain-Xs first, then solid solvent applications last-- all of them with exception to pure carnuba or coconut oil…

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Being fully opposed to pollution in general, having been involved in the testing and monitoring of an EPA Superfund site and witnessing first hand the sheer impact on our health and safety, I do my best to live as ‘clean’ as possible.  However, there is always room for improvement.  Therefor I am fully open to Green Adherence Upgrading from someone who:

Doesn’t drive a gas powered car.  Or a Natural gas one for that matter, as fracking is major anti-Green.

Does not use public transportation that relies on any form of smog generating combustion engine.  Only bicycles or walks everywhere.

Does not fly on jets or any other form of aircraft that destroy the ozone.

Does not have the waste company haul off their garbage to add to the groundwater pollution, because they have zero waste stream.

Only eats what is grown and raised on their or shared plot of land, within walking or bicycing distance of course.

Did not vote for Ralph Nader, diverting votes from Al Gore, thereby landing The Shrub in office for 8 miserable years.

Does not utilize electricity at their home that is generated from anything other then hydro power.

Does not utilize electricity from hydro power sources  that cause the extinction of any fish species.

Does not use a computer to post on Sways, since the internet service provider is no doubt tapping the polluting electrical grid to provide the connection.

Does not have a neckbeard, or wears skinny jeans, wool skull caps, and heavy black frame glasses, simply because visual pollution is still pollution.

If anyone meets those criteria, they are free to descend from their enlightened cloud and critique my Lack of Green.

 

 

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OK now your pissing me off WHATS WRONG WITH SKINNY JEANS!!! there is wisdom in your words,

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There was a time when we only surfed the waves in our backyard. All the kids in the neighorhood were the locals. Bikes to the beach if needed, but usually a short walk was all. We all grew up together, so we all knew each other and our families all knew each other. We ate freshly caught food from the same waters we surfed. You don’t crap in your refrigerator, and the ocean is our refrigerator.

Today it’s hard to catch enough food from the near shore waters to feed a family every day. Often the fish you do catch has ciguatera and you can’t eat it. Some say the ciguatera is caused by run off from our housing development. From the fertillizers and other things we use to have nice green lawns. Mercury poisoning in our fish is partially blamed on the burning of fossil fuels.

Not that many people in the water who didn’t drive a gas powered vehicle to get there. The guys who grew up on the land where the surf is are not “locals” anymore because they had to move away to make a living, or to get away from the overcrowding by malihini squeaky wheels.

Lots of people are investing in grid attach PV systems. They think they are being green, but the electricity they generate is not consumed while they generate it. If you know anything about electricity, you know that there has to be a balance between what is generated and what is consumed. If you want to generate power to be used later, you need to store it somehow. The local utility is used as a battery. In Hawaii the high usuage time is after the PV panels have stopped producing electricity, so residents with PV panels are sucking power from the utility which uses some sort of fossil fuel. These people aren’t being green. Go off grid and you’re being green.

 

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skinny jeans are ok, as long as they are not accompanied by the neckbeard, wool cap and heavy black frames…if they are, you have to  move to the Outer Sunset in SF or any neighborhood in Portland, ride stubby surfboards, wear Patagonia wetsuits, and have earnest discussions over way expensive craft beers about the difference in mpg between the Toyota Prius and VW TDI …lol

 

on a less serious note, have my cans of Never Wet, and intend on applying them to a favored semi used in DOH winter surf.  Because when I do use it, I want to go really, really fast…

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG4LfDfnJqs

A kiwi view.

http://www.speed32nano.com/

I  do not have any commercial links to this product, just posting because it may be of interest. I haven’t read all the previous pages so the product may have already been mentioned.

 

MrT

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hahaha …nice, hope that ride spits you out of some barrels, Icc

I bow out of the enviro debate, Thrailkill asked us if it’ll make boards faster. I say yes. Others in the surf are also saying yes. Got a can of mold release carnuba, might coat my other paddle and start a hydrophobic green thread for the neck beards…