Yes Huie, maybe that wasn’t stated right. I personally think Aussies make damn nice stuff.
'‘went down this path cause of the lack of quality resin in Australia’
I’m interested to know sanded what you think are the quality issues of the top two surfboard specific epoxy resins currently in Australia and how will yours be better than them??
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'‘went down this path cause of the lack of quality resin in Australia’
I’m interested to know sanded what you think are the quality issues of the top two surfboard specific epoxy resins currently in Australia and how will yours be better than them??
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inconsistencies would be my major guess.
i know i have had batches of two brands that have been inconsistent between batches in terms of viscousity, colour and amounts of sanding additive in the pre mixed stuff. I know a decent sized board builder has stopped using one of the brands due to this also and has been sourcing his own from another company.
There is good epoxy formulation all over the world. There will be more and more because of low voc and drastic reducing of sensitivity of those products, real main problem as describe Huie. Mechanical superiority of epoxy is well known for long time.
Seems that a reasonable amout of surfboard builders all over the world are realizing that the future may be something other than a resin with 30% VOC content. Reduced sensitivity has been around in surfboard epoxies for 35 years unfortunately marine is just catching on today (little late idiots) and the result has been lots of good craftsmen losing their livelyhood in that business. When I first came onto this site it was pure polyester and because of a string of poison pen letters from then king Gordon Clark epoxy was veiwed as spawn of the devil. Been my veiw for 35 years that eventually all boards would be made from advanced materials. Maybe I was right.
I wasnt aware, usually when there is a concern with a business related issue Greg, people contact me by phone or email, not try to put stuff on blast on a public internet forum, for the first place I hear about it. Kinda of seems catty and childish dont you think?
Also thanks for the plug on the Supply Shop… But lets get a few things straight if you feel you need to start throwing things out on internet threads.
I am a partner in a supply shop, that is in a different city several miles from Foam-EZ. The glass shop and the supply shop are 2 totally different entities. I buy materials from them as well. And some stuff comes directly in to the glass shop and isnt sold in the adjacent supply shop. 2 totally different things. The supply shop carries 5 different brands of Epoxy only 3 of which are used in our glass shop, one of them being yours.
I dont beleive at ANY time in this thread I stated what epoxy I was using.
If you want to call me out for exaggerating things, please point out excatly what I have posted here thats an exagerration? All I have said Is can lam a bottom in 8 minutes. Thats it.
If you are dredging stuff up from somewhere else, call me out on it there or call me on it direct, but dont make passive aggressive comments on internet forums to try to make a point.
There was no reason to bring me up in this thread so not sure why you chose to, other than to take some sort of cheap shot because its clearly unrelated to anything on this thread.
If you want to question something ive said somewhere or its validity, or maybe how I did it. Call me, you have my number, Email me @ acquaglassing@gmail or on FB where we have also talked before. There are plenty of days where all 3 resins are being used at the same time. side by side comparisons several days a week. I am more than happy to discussing any structure of flip time and finish time related to any of the epoxies sold in the shop with you and how they relate.
Otherwise dont hijack this guys thread to take a shot at me.
Thanks
…of course epoxies come better than years ago; also I never had the opportunity to use that KK type, but the day that you mention do not realize (for hand lay up techniques) until epoxies have the workhorse attitude with almost all types of weather conditions as polyesters and the fine distribution in almost all the countries that the best polyester factories have.
Hi Reverb, in most case of use poly do the job right. What will kill it is voc and norme, in Europe we can ´t use it any more in many case because of voc emission and each new law reduce Max voc emission allowed. But future is not only epoxy but thermoplastic resin that became quickly really efficient.
Agree there huie, obviously temp can play a part - my worst experience with one of the resins, lammed the bottom using the last in a bottle of resin. lammed the top in a new bottle the next day, same time same weather. the 2nd batch was much stiffer to work, and then set a different colour. you could see where the top lap ended in the finished product.
Hi Sanded whats wrong with the current epoxies in Australia?? I’ve used one type with great results and it was designed by an Australian industry genius.
Don’t avoid this fair question like you avoided telling us what your 4oz and nylon cloth actually does in your other thread.
Its a surfboard design forum not a free advertising platform.
If it was another sales thread it should be in the swaylocks SURFSHOP.
I’ve got a of boards that I used one of those epoxys on and
still very white two years later.
I did have some issues with blushing but to be expected when it’s cold and damp. :^/
Always interested in trying somthing new, Are you planing on selling any over here in nz?
Hey Marsh
The original question I was after feedback was about the Rapid which is a resin that flips in an hour… in Australia the resins that are that quick are not designed for surfboards.
Yes I think you mean John’s resin, and its the best on the market (IMHO - as this was my first choice before working on this.) as it doesn’t have the batch issues that others have, but pot life is 30min and flip time 5 hours.
If you want to know more about the cloth… Ask Dion as they are just down the road from you and they are giving the samples out at the moment (they must think there’s something to it…). What it does, makes the glass stronger (not a baked cloth), less shatters in the deck (nylextra reduces the stress on the glass). I asked for feedback and from you guys, and from that I did a White/White.
Again here I only asked for feedback and sorry if people took it the wrong way - But the side by side lab tests are great. I have shown mine… if I put the other results up you would be calling me every name under the sun.
Its a forum… So if you feel like that… dont comment and the thread will drop to the bottom and you dont have to look at it… if not you will bring it to the top and because I havent looked at the replys for ONE DAY you think that i’m avoiding the question.?? Again please tell me what epoxy resin in Oz is made for surfboards and can be flipped around an hour?
I have my answer, thanks to the guys who have pm’d me and replied on here. Happy to keep on answering questions if you want but like the other thread I wanted to ask feedback to improve it, Just like probably GL did at the start, or Coil or some of the others on here. I would rather ask you guys that are interested in improving a surfboard.
When it comes out try it, if you dont like it write it on here! As that gives me feedback to improve it.
Hopefully, I have to work out dangerous goods first. We have worked out Tassie with a shop down there, thinking that the only way we can do over there as well.
My biff with sanded.com.au is that you started this thread by saying there was a ‘lack of quality resin in Australia’, backed up by nothing, so straight away you sledged other products whilst trolling this forum for ideas for your own business venture.
There’s hundreds of boards being glassed in the two Australian epoxy’s every week with some factories using only epoxy, they seem to be doing fine, I’m not hearing quality issues come back from the CET, most problems are due to user error.
But you’re free to develop something new, thats great.
I’m not sure if you make surfboards, but the flip time for CET is 4 hours at 25degs and you can reduce the time you put the deck cloth on by doing a cut lap.
Price and availability could be an issue with your resin if board builders can’t pick it up from a suppler, I’ll wait till tomorrow morning to sand the lap if it’s going to save me $50 per board in resin costs.
With the Nylextra Hybrid thread you started by asking ‘guys like Lemat and Coil if they could chime in and explain the advantage’. You’ve since removed this statment but it made me think you didn’t know what your own product does??
I work at Dions, you personally delivered the cloth to me.
Most of the roll that we bought has evaporated on samples. You didn’t tell me or my manager what it does and no one knows anything about it other than the rumor that it is ‘stronger’. It’s gone out on a bunch of boards, couple of guys who’ll punish them with airs, but still a while to get feedback.
The strands go down the middle of the board in the foot area so I guess you’re aiming for compression strenght?
The major problem with the cloth is the cost, at $10 per metre its 3 times the cost of warp glass which is stronger (then E glass) in tensile and nearly double the cost of S Glass which is stronger in both tensile and compression. So it’s an extra $40 to someone who wants to use it top and bottom for a product that is unknown? $10 per meter puts it into the price area of Innerga, carbon hybrid and biaxil cloths.
The other issue is the plastic woven strands do not sit flat because they are much thicker than the fiberglass strands, for this reason it’s best used as an underlay on the deck. When used on the bottom you either need a thicker filler coat (weight) or risk sanding into the plastic strands.
Do you make surfboards Sanded.com.au? What is your history in the surfboard industry?
Marsh, in tueuse we have, thin skin over foam to make a sandwich, it add near nothing but thickness with same properties as an epoxy film.
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With the Nylextra Hybrid thread you started by asking ‘guys like Lemat and Coil if they could chime in and explain the advantage’. You’ve since removed this statment but it made me think you didn’t know what your own product does?? **WOW! - Can you do that? Good to know going forward might of changed the statement at the start of this on talking about the Rapid only - never removed any statement. **
I work at Dions, you personally delivered the cloth to me. - **ok cool next time let me know and we can have a chat , let me know who you are next time. Dion rung me out of the blue to ask if they could stock it after one of your accounts having good results on team boards ?? **
Most of the roll that we bought has evaporated on samples. You didn’t tell me or my manager what it does and no one knows anything about it other than the rumor that it is ‘stronger’. It’s gone out on a bunch of boards, couple of guys who’ll punish them with airs, but still a while to get feedback. Great should be good to hear the guys feedback
The strands go down the middle of the board in the foot area so I guess you’re aiming for compression strenght? yep - designed for the deck, reduces shatters as explained to Greg.
The major problem with the cloth is the cost, at $10 per metre its 3 times the cost of warp glass which is stronger (then E glass) in tensile and nearly double the cost of S Glass which is stronger in both tensile and compression. So it’s an extra $40 to someone who wants to use it top and bottom for a product that is unknown? $10 per meter puts it into the price area of Innerga, carbon hybrid and biaxil cloths. **$40 extra? ****So **Sglass is $5 per metre, $3.33 per metre retail for warp? I can’t make that in Australia for that.
The other issue is the plastic woven strands do not sit flat because they are much thicker than the fiberglass strands, for this reason it’s best used as an underlay on the deck. When used on the bottom you either need a thicker filler coat (weight) or risk sanding into the plastic strands. Again explained to Greg by the account , they sit proud as its a rope-like structure. Doesn’t change when laminated,** Glass does, ways around it**.
Do you make surfboards Sanded.com.au? What is your history in the surfboard industry?** Yep I do, same as you - yep sailboard industry first.**
The development of the glass has cost me personally a lot of money - So If i’m not blaring out the chemical make up of the nylextra forgive me - but why would I? I personally bring in a fibre to Australia that wasn’t available, Then make an Australian made Glass. One thing its not plastic - Again let everyone know the feedback good or bad. Thanks for letting me know so far
Cheers
**i get the idea?
you are south of the border by some distance sanded**