Sorry if this has been discussed before. I did a search but couldn’t come up with what I wanted to know.
My question is, if you take a 6’2" shortboard ,what would paddle/catch waves better? 6’2" x 21" with a 14" tail and 16" nose …or…6’2" x 21" with a 16" tail and 14" nose?
The center width on the 16" nose would be 2" foreward and the center width on the 14" nose would be 2" back. Both the same rocker and thickness. Thanks.
Again,sorry if someone has asked this before.
16 inch tail. Basically a ''mini pig'', an excellent shape for smaller waves.
that seems to go contrary to the norm Bill can you explain please?
i would think that width under the chest would paddle better,
although i think there is something to be said for a wider tail catching waves easier.
" 6'2" x 21" with a 14" tail and 16" nose ...........or..............6'2" x 21" with a 16" tail and 14" nose?
Well compared to today's thruster shortboards , both are very wide , to start with ...mind if I ask " why ? "
also , depending on the size of the person and their ability , once up and riding [paddling ease aside] , these boards will behave differently in terms of turning and centre of balance . At least that has been MY experience with wider nosed and tailed "shortboards" .... considering the 11" nose , 14" tail "norm" among todays lightweight younger thruster riders . [my assunption is of course that the "shortboard" you refer to is a THRUSTER? [it could easily be a SINGLE fin , with those dimensions , and the wide point forward you mentioned ...my 1975 Bob Cooper [single fin ] is similar dimensions , except 6'4".]
cheers !
ben
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that seems to go contrary to the norm Bill can you explain please?
i would think that width under the chest would paddle better,
although i think there is something to be said for a wider tail catching waves easier.
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Well, first off, I've never been know for doing what is considered the norm. Width under the chest is not the only way to enhance paddling performance. the same thing can be accomplished with increased thickness in the chest area. I started doing that on pig style boards in late 1960. It was one of many ''tweeks'' that I used to produce a superior riding board in that era. That, and a foiled rail into the tail. Sort of like the marriage of a small wave outline, and the volume distribution of a classic gun. Now you know one of my design ''secrets'', so don't go telling anyone.
I’m not qualified to sweep Bill’s shapping bay floor, but I’ve done quite a few 14n/16+t “hybrid” shapes in the 6.0 - 6.10 range and they’re fairly versatile in marginal surf. If you’re big enough to need the volume then you probably have what it takes to turn the tail without a problem. I wouldn’t do one as a thruster, though. Quad with the fins out at the rail to control all that surface area.
I reckon 80% of the surfers out there can’t outsurf such a template if it’s properly sized for them.
Why you ask? I guess 21" width is the minimum width I feel comfortable paddling. I guess that’s from surfing fish’s so much. I do realize I need a shortboard for when it’s throwing out . I guess i’m using 21" as a starting point for a 6’2" shortboard. I’m 6’0" 190 lbs. without my 5/4 ,42 years old and a horrible paddler.
Not sure where to put the volume from there? I’m pretty sure a thruster is what I’m after. Does that mean I can’t have a 16" round tail?
Heck man, shape them both!!
That’ll cut it…
When you’re ready for fin placement, ask again.
You should be able to ride a fish in pitching surf. The area of San Diego that is the birth place of the Fish has some interesting waves powerful and pitching on solid west swells. I have witnessed Fish doing some amazing things in 6 to 8 foot barrels. One thing to keep in mind a Fish does not surf like a standard shortboard.
As to wide boards I have always like someone around 20.5" I have been riding pig style boards for a long time now. The outline won't be as important as #1 the proper rocker, #2 rails and last #3 proper fin set up.
bill and some others here would be a far better at giving you advice on doing rocker and rails. Have fun.
i agree with bill on this as well. most of my shortboards are not of the norm either. i have found that my favorite good wave board is 6’4" x 21-1/2" x 2-5/8" x 15-1/2"T x 12" nose. it paddles great, beefed up in the chest area as bill said. i have a couple more that i’m finishing up tomorrow, but going much shorter… 5’9" with 18" tail and 16-1/2" nose and a 5’6 18"t and 16" nose (not for me), a lot more fish type than the origional topic… for my style and weight (225lb) i feel like i get tons more speed with the wider tail… i guess the point is, there is only one way to see what works for you…shape them both…
Gdaddy. like you said,quad seems to be the way to go on these… though they are fun on MR’s as well, but obviously not as much hold
Another thing to consider is how you are built. Thick chest, skinny bird legs, more foam up front. Thick legs with cankles, and slight upper body, or female (not to infer anything, so don’t take it the wrong way) more foam under the hips, and less up front. Foam under body mass, paddles more level so faster.
Egg?
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Sorry if this has been discussed before. I did a search but couldn't come up with what I wanted to know.
My question is, if you take a 6'2" shortboard ,what would paddle/catch waves better? 6'2" x 21" with a 14" tail and 16" nose ...........or..............6'2" x 21" with a 16" tail and 14" nose?
The center width on the 16" nose would be 2" foreward and the center width on the 14" nose would be 2" back. Both the same rocker and thickness. Thanks.
Again,sorry if someone has asked this before.
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cheers for the reply Ekim mike !
I agree with others here , yes , it WOULD be great [if financially viable?] to be able to make and ride BOTH boards , and provide us with test ride reports , because I would be interested to read your experiences / findings !
...and, thanks , 'Kensurf ' , for putting up a thread which pretty much shows the first option ! [give or take 1" of width , and 1" of length] ....
http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/eggzackly
cheers !
ben
Have a good look at the numbers on the Micro range in this link. Lots of food for thought…