Noserider rocker

My last board a noserider seemed to lack something.It’s dimensions were 9’7"x19"nose x23"wide x15"tail(square) x3"thick, with 2" nose rocker and 5" tail rocker and a 10" FCS Classic fin. Rails were 50/50 with concave nose, flat middle section and rolled vee in the back 1/3. All these dimensions seem ok to me, but has anyone any further suggestions? Is the rocker ok? I was thinking of going 3" in front and 6" in the tail. I weigh 200lbs.

make sure its over 25 lbs

I posted the question about nose rocker on a nose rider last month. I took the rocker off quit a few boards, and it seems that it is very much up to the shaper. I was hopeing that someone on this site would help me. Well, I had people telling me that I was a wave hog, that I did not know how to ride a surfboard, and that I should learn how to set up a wave to nose ride before I tried to make a nose rider. I had one guy try to help his name is Halcyon. This happen to be the only guy that has seen me surf. So good luck to you. I sure did not have any.

Did I hear my name. Oops, or was that my imagination? Hey Bagman ~ Whassup? Barge, At 200lb. I’d say go to a longer board if you really want some nose time. Something around 9’10" to 10’2" depending on the shaper. I don’t think surftech technology noserides as well as traditional methods of construction. I don’t know where you’re located so I don’t know what you options are where you are. There are lots of great shapers that make super noseriders. It’s all depends on what kind of a ride you’re looking for. I could run a list by you but I really depends on they type of ride you looking for and where you are. Are there any shapers whose work you favor? Mahalo, Rich

I am the shaper/rider, the board is ridden on 2-4’ point break waves and local beachbreaks.My question is concerning wether 3"front and 6"tail rocker is suitable for a noserider? If not please advise.

2-3" nose is fine. The tail might be a little extreme. Around 3.5 - 4" tail should do it. Maybe order the blank with 3.5" then work a little more flip in the tail the last 10" or so. Longer board, yeah.

Barge, Rocker is not as simple as nose and tail rocker numbers. I have three longboards all of which nose ride beautifully. Each one has the rocker worked into it differently cause they’re shaped by different people. But between the three of them I’d venture a guess that combined there is 35,000 shapes or more done by the three shapers before they did these so chances are they all have it down pretty well. How the rocker is put in the board has everything to do with how it affects performance. When I go to a shaper with many years of shaping longboards whose specialty is longboards and noseriding like Michel Junod and ask him about rocker he says simply. “I order blanks with MY rocker.” I’ll bet Hap Jacobs does the same thing. Jim Phillips makes his own blanks and can put the rocker in them as he chooses. Gordon Smith and Yater and Lance Carson have been using the same rocker in their traditional nose riders for years and each does things a little differently. If you want photos of rocker and measurements of my 9’0" Freeline, 9’5" Junod or 9’10" Hap Jacobs let me know. Possibly the best way to answer to your question measure the rocker on some quality work and see how it arches along the board. Then build you board with the kind of rocker you think will work. How you configure the rails and bottom have a hell of lot to do with the big picture so put some time into these choices too. It all has to flow together. All other things being equal relaxed tail rocker nose rides and paddles better. Single fin boards don’t turn well unless you have some flip in the tail. Vee or roll in the tail is critical to facilitate turning. Hope this helps. Mahalo, Rich

There are a couple problems here. Number one being, what kind of surfer are you? Do you nose ride high in the pocket? Low in the pocket? Do you ride further out on the shoulder… or tight in the pocket? The breaks that you like to surf… are they mushy waves? Or are they peelers with a steep wall? Is it a fast wave or a slow wave? Do you normally ride backside or frontside? All of these things must be taken into consideration when designing a “noserider.” Like all surfboards, noseriders are very rider specific. Another problem is, to simply say “My last noserider was lacking something” …what the hell is that supposed to mean? Yeah, OK, asking a question about your nose rocker is better, but, how do you answer that question? If you are riding a flat mushy wave… yeah 2" is fine. But if you are riding steeper waves, you better jack it up a bit… 4" sounds more like it to me. (actually 2" is pretty dang flat) If I were you, the best advice I could give you would be, before you build another noserider, go out and try every single one you can get your hands on… that will help you out. -Carl

I’m just a novice but I’ll offer 2 bits. (1) I too am bigger than your average bear (195#) riding 9’ 18-1/2" 23-3/8" 14-3/8" square. If you really want to ride the nose I’d think 10’ or 10’1/2". I plan to go bigger for my nose rider. (2) I too have been pondering rockers, I’ve been ideas from the http://www.foamez.com/ blanks catalog. There are a number of blanks designed/shaped by big name longboard shapers (stewart,harbour…). Some of the comments give insight to adjusting the rocker for nose riders. In any case it will not just be the overall tip and tail rocker but the where and how fast it flairs that will make the difference. Looking at some of the rockers of the catalog blanks might give you more of a feel for what your after.

What was it Lacking?? you say it was missing something… what makes you say this… your answer might help other people give good suggestions

ok here comes another slant… number 1 comment to seed, i totally disagree with the 25 lbs comment, my nose rider is a fraction over 9 pounds i am 6’-4" and 220 pounds and i can hang up there all day ,i totally agree with carl olsen his questions regarding location and waves i currently own 2 real good nose riders…1 has 3 1/2 of nose and 3 1/2 of tail 9’-4"by 23x3 19" nose 14 1/2 tail, single fin ,great for days when its small,sucky, down the line and you wanna go straight, doesnt like turning.but nice and stable to walk forward and back my other one (favourite) is 9’-2" x24 1/2x3 19 1/2 nose 14 1/2 tail 5 3/4 nose rocker 3 1/4 tail rocker, thruster works in way wider range of conditions heaps of drive off the tail but the extra nose helps it to hang back in the curl ,still gets up and planes even in total grovel coz of the extra area…i find the flat one out runs the wave so when i walk back to the tail its not as stable coz i got no water on my deck…but then has its days when the conditions are right…so carls advice is good … what type of waves then go from there… regards BERT