I just got a new noserider.It is the same style size and company as my last noserider.This one has a little more noserocker,a little bit softer rails,and is a bit thicker.My old noserider was great,but this one slides out alot when i am on the nose.Is it the rocker?
I have seen herbie fletcher do controled noseriding slides.and his boards seem to have alot of rocker.My slides are far from controlled.
Nose rocker is usually not a great idea in a noserider…but of course, there will be very good surfers who swear by it. Try using a big, upright, thick, pivot-style fin, all the way back in the box, to hold in your tail. Unless your tail is 17" wide, 8" across the block, and has hard rails and less than 3.5" of rocker, that fin should hold it in.
Thanks Benny,
My last noserider had an 11"pivot fin that worked great,so your idea is a good one.My problem is this is the first board i ordered with a glassed on fin.Its a 10"regular shape.I know there is nothing i can do to change this board,but i would like to know if the rocker is the problem with noseriding.
Popey, how long is your board, and how much rocker does it have? 1. from the middle of the board to the tip of the nose?
The board is 10’ ,same size,company and model as my last noserider. My friends didnt like my last board,they said it was too stiff.I liked it ,thats why i ordered the same thing except for the glassed on fin.Im at work so i cant measure the rocker but its more like a modern longboard, unlike my last one.also the rails are alittle softer on the entire board.It turns better than my last board,but i never was much into shortboarding a longboard.
All other things being the same, an increase in nose rocker will cause the board to pivot more on the rocker when you’re on the nose - this will increase the likelihood of the tail lifting out. If you put each board belly down on a straight piece of lumber (or a balcony rail) with the fin to one side and push down on the nose, you’ll get the idea.
Bellies and concaves generally play a part on noseriders too and should be considered as factors that may not be the same on both boards. I find it interesting that the boards of the same make, model and size can be so different.
A decrease in fin size will make the tail more likely to slide out. Some of the factors that will increase turning performance might decrease noseriding performance.
As you’ve already figured, you have at least a couple of factors (i.e. increased rocker and smaller fin) working against your noseriding when comparing the two boards.
When measuring rocker, raw numbers taken at the ends can be misleading…
John said that raw numbers can be misleading. That could not be any truer then when you are checking rocker. My numbers for a 10’ board that will work as a good nose rider would have a nose rocker of very between 4 3/4 to 5 1/4 inches. Also as John said there are a lot more things that will make a board a good nose rider then just nose rocker. But you only asked about rocker so there are my numbers.
Valid points made by John and Bagman. Most of the early to mid 60s boards had very little rocker which is interesting due to the fact that noseriding became such a phenom during that time. I looked through my notes / stats on some previously measured vintage boards. The nose rocker on a Duke Kahanamoku board had the same nose rocker as tail rocker at only 3 7/8". However, the nose rocker was long and gentle as an “entry rocker” while the tail rocker was pronounced mainly at the last 1/3 of the board. Apex of rocker and thickest measure was about 6" behind center. All this to say that the rocker profile is as significant if not considerably more so than simply the measured amount of rocker.
These various features also affect how the board flows and how it positions into trim, etc. A board that makes it tough to get in correct “position” (trimmed and on a line to lock the board in) for a noseride on any given wave is just as, if not more important, than the attributes that simply enable you to stand on the tip. All this is just to ditto the previously mentioned …there’s more to it than just inches of rocker when it comes to noseriding.
Until after the mid 60s the taerm “noserider” was not used to describe a certain kind of board like we categorize them today. Nearly any board was or could be a noserider. Specialization for “noseriders” came on the scene and Bing was one of the more generally accepted front guys on this.
popey, I believe if the board is thicker and 10’0’’ and you are maybe less than 180# . sometimes the thickness will create a side drift thats different then a fin slip.Is the nose sliding out before the fin comes out? Something to consider
nalu
here in fla, what with the small mushy waves we have, noseriding is something that we actually can do.
you’ve changed 3 variables, so it it isn’t at all like your old board.
softer rails shouldn’t affect nose riding. if fact, in the tail area, it should enhance the ability to noseride.
thickness shouldn’t affect it either. take a look at how fat the old boards were.
so, noserocker is probably the culprit in this particular instance.
i’d also look at the fin or finbox placement. i’d use the largest base, deepest sort of fin i could get, if there’s a finbox. and shove it all the way forwards.
might want to try increased tail rocker on the next board, and drop the nose rocker down a bit.
Howzit popey, From what I've learned about this subject one thing that will make a better noserider is more tail rocker which pushes the tail down and lifts the nose. I can't attest personnally since I like my longboard to have very little tail rocker which increases the speed and Hanalei is a wave where you want as much speed as possible. Aloha,Kokua
Thanks,
I am around 180,and it may be sliding a bit due to the thickness of the board.
I am not dissapointed in the company at all. I asked for the board to be a little thicker,because it was going to have more weight than my last noserider.
It is funny that you posted about the thickness,because after my last couple surfs i was starting to think that may be most of the problem.
It is still a good board.It is 29 pounds and a real good paddler,i may keep it for bigger days.So far i had it out on a couple over head days and it handled them well. I am going to try it on our next really big day.
thanks again