Okay... need your help... building two bays in my 19'6" x 24'1" garage!

Okay guys, I need your help.

I’m building two bays in my 19’6" x 24’1" garage - one for shaping, the other for glassing and sanding.

I want them to be self contained because I need to use the garage for other things (i.e. my wife’s washer and dryer, storage for my boards, beach cruisers, tools, etc.)

I want two rooms within the large garage space because I would like to have a woodworking area like Paul Jensen’s around the two rooms.

What I need from you guys are the minimum dimensions I can get away with for the two rooms to be fully functional and versatile to shape a variety of board lengths (short 5’6" and long 12’+). I also need to know how to ventilate them, collect, dust, and filter out / keep the fumes down to a minimum.

There is a guy living above the garage, and neighbors in close proximity so I need to keep sound as baffelled as possible, and resin/epoxy smells down to a minimum.

My wife isn’t too crazy about going out to the garage to do laundry and having to smell resin. Also, I don’t need my seven year old son to be around these volatile fumes either.

Can any of you help me out?

The garage is 19’6" x 24’1".

Thanks,

Dave

619-757-0100

P.S. - any suggestions on materials? The guy who lives above the garage is a set designer and general contractor. He suggested Lauan sheeting and either 1x3’s or 2x2’s for framing.

From what I understand shaping polyurethane in or near a living space is nasty. I had planned on shaping poly in my basement until someone told me my entire house would stink. Have you considered EPS/epoxy resin? Very green!

From what I understand shaping polyurethane in or near a living space is nasty. I had planned on shaping poly in my basement until someone told me my entire house would stink. Have you considered EPS/epoxy resin? Very green!

Well, I have been shaping polyurethane exclusively for a while now, but in a buddy’s backbay that we built. However, it’s no longer standing, and my only option is my detached garage.

I’ve never worked with EPS/Epoxy, so I’m not sure about the learning curve.

I’ve been wanting to go wood and epoxy because of the less hazardous factors involved in those materials. However, I don’t know how real that scenario would be considering I’ve never built a hollow or a chambered wood board (yet).

I only just started with EPS but heard the learning curve is no big deal. Glassing epoxy claims something like 1/50th the haz fumes and almost no smell. I think epoxy on poly blanks works though.

My post might give you some ideas for a small collapsible garage bay, though mine was not intended for/will not see any glassing.

3 walls of 4x8’ - 1/4" temperboard framed up with 2"x2"s with 1"x3" footings. Cable ties hold together the uprights at the corners

http://www.swaylocks.com/forum/gforum.cgi?post=269702#269702

I can’t help you with the fumes but I can help you with the sound. I work at a video production company and we have an audio booth that is so quiet it can drive you crazy. How’d they do it? They built a room inside a room. The outer room has a good amount of insulation (don’t know what kind), then the inner room is surrounded floor to ceiling in an egg crate material used for audio. There even is a flame retardant version out there. With a set up like that, you might be giving up a couple inches all around but you could also sand/shape at 2 am.

Monkstar1,

That’s a darn good idea. I was thinking about the sound foam, because I have it in my own home studio, but I didn’t even think about the room within a room concept… would that be “thinking outside of the box”??? hahaha. Thanks. I’m going to give it a try.

I still need dimensions. I’ve always worked in bays that were 8’ wide X 16’ Long X 10’ high so I could maneuver a clark 12’8" A blank around in there. what are the minimum dimensions I could get away with in my garage for 2 bays of equal LXWXH?

Dave

I have a surfboard factory, and our shaping rooms are 15’x9’.5’’ You could get away with a little narrower room(9’ or 8’ 10’‘). I shaped in alot of different rooms and 9’.5’(after drywall) wide seems to be the most comfortable. For your resin fumes, you should consider doing UV polyester resin. Our factory does both UV and catalyst. The UV process gives very little fumes and can save you alot of money in the end.

Aloha Dave,

I haven’t posted much for the past couple of months, as I’ve undertaken a big move and shop relocation. Now that I’ve finally reached “the other side”, I have the time to dial into Swayville more often. Good to be back, so here goes:

The sound and fume issues are very important. Sounds like some good advice so far in this thread. I’ll give my two cents on the space issue. You are trying to accomplish quite a few variables in your one garage space, so it’s all about compromise. From shortboards to super-tanker longboards, from glassing to woodworking, you will likely have to answer a few tough questions to yourself to reach the best compromise solution.

How many boards will you shape per day, per month, per year…. What size boards will you shape the most, 90% shorties, mostly longs, equal amount of each…… How much woodworking, how much space to make what you plan to make….Will you be making 12’ wood surfboards or small jewelry boxes….how much woodworking tools. Do you have lawnmowers, fridges, etc. to store in the garage also???

What you think you might use the space for could possibly be a little different than what you will actually use it for. Soooo, think all that through carefully, as that will lead you to your compromise solution. Most prefer a 3ft. space to work around all sides and ends of the board blank, so a 12’ x 24” blank needs a min. of 8ft. width in your bay x 18ft. length. Two bays that size will just about max out your entire garage, so you may have to get creative if you actually want to shape 12ftrs. most of the time, and the washing machine may have to go if you want to sneak in a table saw or jointer, etc. Soooo, again a creative solution needed after careful answers to your need / wants questions. Perhaps insulate the garage walls, ceiling, and doors, then do your thing within the overall space.

I once did a portable bay within a larger space by using the blue tarps available from the home centers. I strung plastic coated heavy wire up around the ceiling the dimensions of the desired bay, then attached the tarps at the ceiling by threading the wire through the grommet holes in the tarps just like attaching a shower curtain on a rod. The tarps went around the perimeter of the bay, I duct taped the corners and the tarps to the floor to seal in the space for dust, and left a small opening at one corner through which to enter and exit the bay. I also cut a square opening in the tarp at one end of the bay and taped the opening around a square shaped floor fan which sat on a table outside the bay. This fan was turned around to pull dust from the bay into a plywood funnel connected to a flex pipe that went to my dust collector downstairs in the woodshop. At the opposite end of the bay I did the same with a fan mounted in a window just behind the tarp that blew fresh air through the bay toward the exhaust fan at the other end.

Sooo, all this having been said, my suggestion is to think creatively and reach a compromise plan. Consider a portable option before you build permanent walls that might keep you from getting the most from your overall space. Hope the best for you….Enjoy the ride!!

Richard

With respect to sound insulation PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE be certain if you use “egg crate” type foam insulation that you buy only fire retardant foam that is intended for sound insulation purposes.

I live in Rhode Island and several years ago we had a nightclub go up in flames when some egg crate packing foam that was being used as sound insulation material around the stage ignited. The fire spread so fast that 100 people lost their lives. Apparently the chemical make-up of the foam combined with all of those nice little pockets of air makes the stuff incredibly combustible.

I would think about building one work area with a knock-down wall between the two “halves”.

Kawika,

Size advice so far is within a good range from my experience. My shaping bay is 10" x 16’ 5" and works fine. I would advise against eggcrate type sound insulation from the dust standpoint. When you’re blowing foam dust around, it’s going to settle on every single one of those little bumps. Then what. Of course if you use a vacuum system it will be less of a problem.

My shaping room is inside my garage too. I built it with conventional American framing: 2x4 walls and 2x6 ceiling joists. Everything is insulated with standard fiberglass insulation. Drywalled both sides. Works very well in keeping noise out of the house. Fumes are another matter. Polyester really stinks up the whole house. That’s the main reason I switched to RR epoxy…nice.

Does anyone still keep their car in the garage anymore? Doug

You can accomplish just about as good sound insulation as egg-crate provides, with double rock & an air space. Rock your walls with 3/8" rock, then install z-channel (sometimes called hat rack) right over the studs again, and install a layer of 1/2" rock. Perfect sound & temp insulation and a lot cheaper than eps panels, SIPS, fire-retardant egg crate, etc. Hanging carpet on the walls works too, but you’d either have to vacuum a lot or have a hell of a dust collection system…

In your space, I’d probably try for a ‘dusty’ side and a ‘clean’ side and leave it at that. Put up one wall and have all your power tools, shaping stands, etc. in there and do your shaping, sanding, woodworking, etc. In the other side, there’s no reason you can’t glass next to the laundry. Put cabinets above the appliances for clean clothes, soaps, etc. and lay down plastic or rosin paper on the floor whenever you’re working. Add glassing racks and a short bench for finishing furniture and a fan to the outside. You don’t even need to insulate that side (because of the laundry door, I’d assume its the side close to the house) for noise.

I do all my work inside a pretty tight 12’ x 26’ space. Workbenches down one side & racks down the other. Have to go out the door to turn around any board longer than 7’. My biggest problems don’t come from space, but from dust. Even with dust collection & shop vacs running constantly, I still struggle to keep it clean enough. If you could work in a space that was ok a bit dusty, and glass in another that stayed clean, you’d be in good shape.

Wow, guys… Thanks for all the input. Now I need to sit down and make a plan. I’ll keep you guys posted when it turns out… along with some pics.

Cheers,

Dave