I know the question has been asked many times, but i wanted to see if there was any progress at all on any homemade recipes for warm water wax??
Ive been using beeswax and coconut oil, and its like surfing a slice of bacon... any help, and ive tried the 3 to 1 ratio also 3 to 0.5 and many more and yet the same results!
Mahalo
care of Mr. Stewart…
http://broadbandsports.com/node/4784
I can’t see the video, but if I remember correctly he uses beeswax and variable amounts of pitch.
I've found that for the beeswax/coconut recipe, a hard base coat (6:1) followed by a soft topcoat (4:1) with a bit of tree resin melted in works great (pine, cherry, walnut - whatever is around). The resin won't completely dissolve, so just let the solids sink to the bottom and cut it off your bar when it sets up. I used this recipe in Oaxaca for 4 months - surfing every day - no problems. Good luck.
Come to think of it, I bought that beeswax in Mexico. It was very crude/gritty and probably had a good amount of propolis in it. That stuff is incredibly sticky, not water soluable, and doesn't soften in heat. Pretty much tree resin and other plant exudates that the bees use to patch the hive. I bet if you mix some of that in your wax, you'll probably have to pry the board off of your feet! You need to visit your local bee keeper - also, you can usually get your wax for about 1/2 price from them.
Hope you don’t have a hairy chest or it might be gone. But then again, hair is pretty organic and would act as a tractop.
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Hope you don't have a hairy chest or it might be gone. But then again, hair is pretty organic and would act as a tractop.
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if i could get my wax that sticky, id be happy to loose the hair on my chest!:P
Cooked up my first batch today with 210 gr unprocessed beewax, 70gr coconut oil and 70gr pine resin. Lots of fun in the kitchen, smokey and sticky!
At first glance this stuff seems pretty greasy and smeary (correct spelling???). I’ll try less coco oil and more pine resin next time - I might add some honey too…
Cheers
Mook
ps outside temperatures here about 20 degrees celcius, water is about 15 I quess
ive tried it all so far but not the pine resin..."its in the mail"
what ive tried so you dont have to:
sticking with the main ingredients of beeswax and coconut oil
tried mixing it with:
yeast - smelt like a brewery
fruit bread sap/resin - alsmost set fire to the kitchen
maple syrup - bit of a let down
bees honey - seems to work well, but i added way to much so now its like a candy bar
... pretty much everything else in the cupboards! the quest continues!
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Cooked up my first batch today with 210 gr unprocessed beewax, 70gr coconut oil and 70gr pine resin. Lots of fun in the kitchen, smokey and sticky!
At first glance this stuff seems pretty greasy and smeary (correct spelling????). I'll try less coco oil and more pine resin next time - I might add some honey too...
Cheers
Mook
ps outside temperatures here about 20 degrees celcius, water is about 15 I quess
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did you use wet or dry resin?
Not sure... Hand picked it from some pine trees, sticky bits and drier bits put together.
Pine resin makes your wax very sticky. You might want to search for “colophane”. Over here in SW France it’s very easy and cheap to find.
Maybe you can order from here :
http://www.dimatel.fr/produit.php?idproduit=3287&idfamille=649
or here :
http://www.ufs-aviculture.fr/produit_900.html
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i suddenly became enthralled with the idea of making wax. ive already taken over the garage with boards so now time to move on and conquer the kitchen with wax. ive been reading tutorials and threads, but have one question. is the beeswax and coconut oil and tree resin stuff i can get at a local store? or do i have to order it from the internet or go to a special dealer? coconut oil sounds like a grocery store thing and beeswax sounds like a wal mart thing. am i right? tree resin sounds even more exotic. hopefully i dont have to go on any jungle adventures for this stuff either because at a certain point the fun is offset by how much money and time i have to invest. is this just a kind of fun home project? or am i completely wrong...
http://www.korduroy.tv/2009/organic-surf-wax
These guys apparently have found a pretty good recipe. Sounds like the same ingredients as everyone else is using, just tweaked amount wise a little bit.
4 pts beeswax
1 pt Coconut Oil
1 pt tree resin
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ive tried it all so far but not the pine resin..."its in the mail"
what ive tried so you dont have to:
sticking with the main ingredients of beeswax and coconut oil
tried mixing it with:
yeast - smelt like a brewery
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Good grief, why?
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fruit bread sap/resin - alsmost set fire to the kitchen
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Uh huh, sugars carbonise and burn nicely
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maple syrup - bit of a let down
bees honey - seems to work well, but i added way to much so now its like a candy bar
... pretty much everything else in the cupboards! the quest continues!
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Okay, you may want to ask yourself a few things.
First, direct heat on wax or other things of that sort: bad. Fire hazard, especially as you can get some Really Hot Stuff at the bottom of the pan, which can reach flash point. Not good.
Big double boiler is the thing to use. Waxes typically melt at a lower temp than the boiling point of water. No hot spots that can literally blow up in your face.
And - don't add the grocery store, especially things with sugars in 'em. Unless you're really intent on making ant food. And the shelf life would be short, brutish and nasty.
So, you're trying to thicken/harden the wax, right? Okay, so, what is it thats a thicker wax?
Lots of plant waxes out there, plus there's good old paraffin. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wax
And one more thing - failed batches of surf wax can be remelted, add something to it ( like carnauba wax flakes, often used to thicken things like this) and then try it and see. My suggestion would be to keep careful notes, so you can reproduce it from the final proportions used.
http://www.spwax.com/spcarnau.htm : a source for other waxes and info on 'em, look around the site. - a couple of friends of mine make handcrafter soaps and there are similar ingredients. If you know somebody who does that, ask them about sources.
hope that's of use
doc...
Hey scboy, I would highly recommend against getting your beeswax (if they even have it) from Walmart. Because the beeswax found at large chain stores is so over-refined, it can be scaly, brittle, and ultimately difficult to work compared to the real stuff. Start here: http://www.californiastatebeekeepers.com/ . Find a bee keeper in your area who sells raw wax - just send out one email, sure enough some one knows someone in your area. Tell them you want it without bees in it, but some of the 'dirty' stuff with propolis in it. Propolis is a mixture of all sorts of tree resins that the bees collect to reapair their hive with. If you get wax straight from the keeper before it has been turned into that useless plastic sold in craft stores, then all you really need to add is the appropriate amount of coconut oil according to whether you're making a cold, warm, or hot water bar. Oh yeah, it will cost about 50-75% less if you buy it from a keeper too.
Good luck!
Thanks for the safety tips... well the kitchen is still standing... i finally managed to get some pine resin, however its the hard stuff (which causes cancer when heated)... the pine resin also called something else when its hard and didnt seem to produce what i expected, not as sticky as i thought but not that bad, i would say at this point my biggest trouble is getting the "bump" effect... i can get a thin layer, but its not nearly enough to be a good amount...
thanks camplus. found a beekeeper in laguna beach, very close to a favorite spot of mine. ill visit him one day after some time in the water. good idea.
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thanks camplus. found a beekeeper in laguna beach, very close to a favorite spot of mine. ill visit him one day after some time in the water. good idea.
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Awesome scboy! You're in for a real treat. Good luck with your formulating!
Old thread now but has anyone got any idea how Matunas are managing to produce a basecoat for all temperatures using only beeswax, coconut oil and tree resin? As I understand it, a base coat is wax 1 temperature region higher but that does not explain how matunas have managed it. Anyone have any insight on this?