orlando's new wave park.

well 5 or so years in the planing and it looks like its finnaly going to finally happen. the festival bay shoping mall is building a wave pool with ron jons and a few other private investors.

an article in the most recent issue of longboard magazine describes the park and what it will offer.

apparently the pool with produce 6 to 8 foot salt water waves and boasts a mechanical reef that can change the shape of the wave. also its supposed to be fairly inexpensive in comparasion to the typhoon lagoon pool.

 so do you think the park will be busy and would you make the drive to orlando to pay 40 dollars for an hour or so session.

in my opinion its pretty cool that we will know have a year round consistant break that matches up with any real breaks.

but it just wont have an soul. sitting in a big room with loud speakers and having to pay for waves will probably stop me from going.

While I agree it will not have the soul of the open ocean, I signed up over a year ago for a no-obligation membership.

Computer controlled adjustable reef enabling reproduction of many of the worlds best breaks, including the ability to invert (Rincon breaking left…)

http://www.surfparks.com/

http://www.ronjons.com/DisplayContent.aspx?ContentID=143&MenuGroup=7&SelectedItem=27

well after viewing the website and finding a little more about the quality of the waves i am defiently pretty stoked on the concept. apparently they can produce a replica of teahupoo, that ought to be interesting.

and it looks like the crowd factor that i thought was going to be a big deal shouldnt be. at any given time there is only 6 people in the water and each person is assigned a wave.

hopefully it wont get ruined by soft fins and the possible requirement for a helmet.

would be great for us shapers wanting to test boards and fins…but yeah its got no soul, if it was clean waist-chest at the beach and perfect 6-8 at the park i would go to the beach all money and travel considerations behind

i agree with that, i would much rather surf waves that where in my normal consideration very good. theres nothing like sitting out in the ocean and looking around and admiring the beauty of mother nature.

but then again a 40 dollar trip to rincon, pipe, teahupo deosnt sound that bad to me when its flat in cocoa.

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each person is assigned a wave.

um… no, thats not surfing…!

Oh, it’s got soul, baby. Lot’s of soul. Let me tell you this. As a person who is constantly swimming upstream in terms of shortboard surfing improvement, I would welcome a “training” pool, if they actually build the thing. I would definitely pay to use it, and I think that by getting better at a much faster pace, I would enjoy surfing in the ocean more.

The funny thing with me is that when I longboard, no matter how good or poor the waves are, I ALWAYS have fun. I honestly cannot remember, in the last four years, a longboard session in which I did NOT come in smiling. I LOVE longboarding.

I also love shortboarding, but ONLY if I perform to my best ability. I don’t know what it is, but the contrast of short to long, for me, is big. If I paddle out on a shortboard, I better perform BETTER than the last time I shortboarded or I am disappointed. My goal, when I shortboard, is to get as radical as possible. It only has to be one wave, but I want to make a turn that blows my mind. If that happens, just once, then I come in stoked, and daydream about it for days or weeks. I still have ONE turn that replays in my mind from the fall of 2001. I was at a reefbreak on the most northern end of Leucadia (with stairs. The place has a really grand view of the ocean). Anyway, it was about ten foot on the face, barely holding up, and super fast. On my tenth (and last) wave of the evening, I took off and gained as much speed as I ever had. I was riding a 6,7 high performance ultralight trifin from one of the best shapers on the planet, Rod Sorenson (Agua Surfboards). As I approached the shoulder, I bottom turned, and did a complete off the top, roundhouse cutback kind of maneuver that blew my mind. I heard people hoot. I am still stoked years later.

That’s what I look for everytime I paddle out on a shortboard. That one turn that makes me think, “Hey, I’m getting better at 36.” But five out of six times I bog when I shortboard, and it’s almost always because I’m out of practice.

This relates to wave pools, but I’ll get there in a minute.

Last year, at the end of the winter, I bought my first off-the-rack shortboard in twenty years. It was a, gulp, Rusty Pirannah. Yeah, I know. I bought from a mainstream guy when I should have stuck with my trusty local guys, but I couldn’t help myself.

I DON’T regret that decision. It was the best shape I ever rode. It was super fast and super loose, but held TIGHT to any steep wall seven foot or less. I was riding better than I ever had before. I went MONTHS without riding any of my three longboards because I was so stoked on the speed and turning ability of that board. It’s beat to hell from surfing combined with a crappy glassjob (I think), but I still have it. I love it.

What does this have to do with wave pools? I’ll get there.

When a surf company like Quiksilver or Billabong sees potential in a 14 year-old kid, they don’t just watch them. After they get them signed, they train them…in Indonesia. There are good waves all over the world, but Indonesia has consistency. You can take a kid out there to the Mentawais and in two weeks he will advance ONE YEAR over his buddies back home, because the waves come through with machine like perfection. The waves are so good and break for so long that it wears on the leg muscles. These kids, who were used to getting ten second rides back home are seriously surfing waves for a full minute, and are paddling back out to do it again for ten hours per day. They stop to eat, drink, and crap. That’s it.

THAT IS EXACTLY what these wave pools are going to do. They are going to improve the surfing potential exponentially of budding pros. We will see better surfing in the next few decades than ever before.

Talk to Herbie Fletcher. This is a guy with loads of credibility. He is stoked on what the kids are doing. He has a very open mind.

I, for one, will ride a wave pool if it is real. If it turns out to be three foot mush I won’t go near it. It better have power. I’ll be addicted. The reason is that when this 36-year-old paddles out and surfs better than 18 year-olds, it’s extremely addictive, and I thrive on it.

Don’t believe me? Go to Swamis next winter on the biggest swell of the year. Watch who gets the biggest, best waves. It isn’t the kids. It’s Dale Dobson and all the other middle aged chargers. They walk into the water at 38, 45, and 50 years old, but after dominating the lineup they leave the water feeling 19 all over again.

A wave pool, if made correctly, will bring that out. It will perfect the quality of surfing. I’m all for it.

Unfortunately, I think they are full of crap! I don’t believe it will be anything other than a touristy, mushy four foot wave pool. Six to eight foot barrels? If that’s true, I’ll eat my hat. I’m freaking serious.

Just checked it out on the net. At $40 a pop you can emagine the agro that will be going around if someone drops in.

So for those in the area … what’s the construction like? Can you estimate an ETA?

I think for flat days there is definitely potential for a decent surfpark. I hear they are thinking about NYC and LA for future parks.

Here are some positives that may result

  • crowd thinning at other breaks

  • better surfers in the water, beginners may be inclinded to head for the safety of the pool rather than face the unknown in the ocean

  • expanding / popularizing the surf market and image, more people buying boards

If I had one of these machines near me I’d use it for sure. I’d be lined up to get a job there!!!

Not sure if the claim to reproducing overhead barrels could be true, that’s a lot of water to move.

A good arena to invent, practice and perfect new moves, but won’t teach any ocean skills. Probably no need to learn to duckdive!

It definitely won’t beat going to the beach and experiencing real life, real waves and the pulse of the ocean.

The ripping hot pool guys will get all the holiday bikini girls, without the problem of sand getting in the way.

With any luck the real waves will be less crowded, thankyou very much.

wave pools are the future …

driven by the surfing industry …

where would golf be without golf coarses …

where else are all the has beens and never quite made a world title ex pros gonna get a real job??

working as a wave pool cleaner …

"yea sonny , i use to be a pro surfer when i was your age " …

its time for eskimo joe and laurance of arabia to start learning how to shape . just build it and they will come …

the big picture just got bigger …

regards

BERT

All great pionts for wave park. In my mind they will never match the ocean as an alternative surf experience, like dry slope compared to real snow for snowboarding, but they would be great for training and for flat days.

I’m not the worlds best surfer, so I’ve been putting off going to an exotic location until my watermanship is up to standard to get the full potential out of the waves and the trip.

I don’t know how close it would come to the real thing but being able to mimic a certain type of wave from an actual destination would really help to build up skill and confiedence. plus all of the above.

i havent been by there in a while but i am going to skate the vans park that is right next door some time this weekend. when i get back i will have an update on its progress.

i have heard that it will be done some time this year though.

When you mentioned reefs, I realise now the lack of razor sharp coral heads will make it very appealing to the less adventurous.

I don’t like getting cut up either, but there is a certain primal thrill in surviving an isolated reef break surf. That experience will never be reproduced by a pool.

I bodysurfed Sun City once and it was packed, but I was the only person there who could catch and ride a wave without some sort of floaty.

It was probably the closest thing to the ‘ocean’ these people will ever experience, and it’s hundreds of kilometers inland!

If crowded pools means less crowded waves, all is well.

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i havent been by there in a while but i am going to skate the vans park that is right next door some time this weekend. when i get back i will have an update on its progress.

i have heard that it will be done some time this year though.

Post the progress if you can … their website says winter of 2005

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I don’t like getting cut up either, but there is a certain primal thrill in surviving an isolated reef break surf. That experience will never be reproduced by a pool.



hey wildy , i know what you mean there …

try jumping off a cliff to get to the wave , then the only way out is to haul yourself up a rope and try and scale a cliff …

try surfing for 4 hours then attempt the rope haul , with sharks in the water below , somehow you find that last bit of adrenalin to get you out alive …

the nearest petrol station is 4 hours drive away , if you dont bring your own fuel , you dont go home , close to a day to the nearest hospital …

nothing can mimick that except the real thing …

regards

BERT

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I hear they are thinking about NYC and LA for future parks.

They’ve already lined up the location for the NY pool - Randall’s Island. Personally, I’d be interested for another reason not yet mentioned here - weather. I’d still surf right through the year in booties, hoodie and gloves, but to go from a 5 mil suit to boardshorts for a day? Sign me up.

Once you take nature out of the equation I’m no longer interested. For me, surfing is all about becoming a part of the environment. You never know what you’re going to get and you have to adapt each and every time.

Surfing in a pool with tunes and an admission fee seem wrong to me.

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This subject is funny… reminds me of some people who’ll only recreate in natural bodies of water. No artificial swimming pools for them.

Japan’s “Seagaia Ocean Dome”…