I have to say that taking a route of non-violence is the best approach, try talking to him, (if his daughter is around the better as he’ll be less hostile in front of her) If he starts at it again paddle back out and leave him on the shore. Do not paddle away down the beach stand your ground and surf your spot. If you paddle away it shows him that all he has to do is get angry and people will leave. we shouldn’t let these type of people rule a break. Start chatting it up with the other locals about this guy. Point out every time he drops in on someone. (you can’t be the only one he’s doing this to) Eventually you can all confront him as a group. But most of all try and have a blast out there, if you’re hooting and having a good time he will see that he isn’t winning; and you having fun while he’s steaming will just get him more frustrated.
It’s guys like you that get they’re ass kicked.
I would’nt put up w/ that smart ass “dude” act.
I was only a smart ass later because of the fact that he threatened to bash my head in w/ a golf club (and he got damn close to doing it even when I wasn’t being a smart ass) That and i’m a very non-confrontational person on account of the fact that i’m 5’10" and 140 lbs. I can take alot before the smart ass in me slips out. this was one of those rare times and I apologize for that.
That and he stole one of my favorite golf balls that my dad gave me a few years ago (never managed to lose any of the 3 he gave me). the theft part really pissed me off.
Howzit E-pacman, Maybe he should wear a jee with a black belt next time he goes to that break and let the guy see him in it. Could addle the guy some what even if it's a lttle extreme, Ha,Ha. Or maybe the guy needs a trip to Kauai for some lessons in respect.We gonna see you on Kauai this year. Aloha,Kokua
Howzit E-pacman, .We gonna see you on Kauai this year. Aloha,Kokua
We’re working in that direction. maybe springtime.
exactly the resonse i'd expect from a f'in inlander kook..if a guy waves a rock in your face you gonna call your lawyer...pathetic.
Beat it, dude. Take that to some other forum. Most everyone else here, even if they are advocating self-defense, gets that here, you’re among friends. Keep it civil. Save the vitriol (look it up) for the guy with the rock.
this thread has gone on a bit too long
america is a strange place.so many advocate the use of violence as response to a disagreement…look at your history … look at the news…
open your eyes and wake up…its a bloody wave for $# sake…
balsa i couldnt agree more, loosing an eye over a wave is absurd
whats a lawyer .America the litigation capital of the world
just pull your head in …when your dealing with crazy unreasonable people.its easier to swallow your pride and apologize/walk away even if its not your fault.(remember there crazy)
feeding lawyers all your money just cause you casnt resolve a dispute is a bit silly as well.
i know in some cases its neccessary… but it looks like it is as comon as putting on underwear in the states…
sorry if this sounds a bit negative …there are things i love about america
dont take it personaly anyone
Silly, I’m mostly with ya. I’d never advocate any violence except true self-defense, and I’d dang sure never tell anyone that calling a lawyer should be an early reaction.
But a lot of voices have also said, go on in, paddle down the beach, surf somewhere else, take off the summer season… Are you kidding? You just can’t let one bad apple ruin the whole barrell like that. This guy needs to be corrected. There are lots of options, all spoken of in this (aggreedly too) long thread. Videos, getting together a few locals to talk with him together, bowling him over with friendliness, even giving him a taste of his own medicine (the drop ins & snaking, not the rock). Any or all of those should be tried, and they all stand a chance of working.
What’s not an option is to stop surfing because this guy is out. If you have a neighbor who lets his dog crap on your lawn, do you let the whole lawn die and never look at it again? No. Its relatively minor behavior - not worth fighting over - but it MUST be corrected. For the greater common good, this guy can’t be allowed to chase otherwise normal surfers from the lineup. The rest of the group - its got to be a group - can’t let someone like this go unchecked.
I’d never advocate any violence except true self-defense, and I’d dang sure never tell anyone that calling a lawyer should be an early reaction
Its relatively minor behavior - not worth fighting over - but it MUST be corrected. For the greater common good, this guy can’t be allowed to chase otherwise normal surfers from the lineup
For those who haven’t spent much time in a place like California in general or most any of the coastal U.S. it is probably hard to understand advice about seeing lawyers or going to the police to set a situation up. Hawaii seems really unique, and not in my opinion in a positive way for the most part, in condoning violence; it isn’t like that in most of the states. The U.S. has a very real population crush coupled with huge self inflicted economic pressures, and that equals monster stress. Just getting on a freeway will expose you to brainless rude B.S like you can’t believe, people putting your and other lives at risk as part of their own personal behaviour. The beach is no different.
The twenty-something drink of choice: vodka and Red Bull. Do the science…you can’t go two ways at once, no matter how hard you try, without causing damage to something.
I agree with both of the quotes I put up there from Benny. But the facts as related in this situation are that the real offender virtually started off by picking up a rock. That right there is your baseline, and it can only escalate…or you walk away leaving the original jackass thinking he pulled it off. Most of the constructive advice in this thread comes from people who’ve had to live it in one form or another and it comes from a perspective of trying to provide maximum protection for all parties, both physically and legally. It certainly isn’t simple any more.
call child protection services.if he snaps that quick he is most likely doing it with his daughter as well…could save her from a lot of harm.by the way, what town did this happen in? sounds like a familiar character…
Howzit Nels, Now let's not start on Hawaii, this incident happened in So. Cal. thing. It's not we condon violence, we just use it to control situations. A few years back a friend of the family was smacked at Pakalas by a young local kid and it was another older local who paddled over to him and threatened him if he ever saw him doing it again. Aloha,Kokua
here’s one approach (it won’t work with everyone though). When someone snakes you on a wave, paddle right over to them afterward. Say to them, I like sharing waves, but only with my friends. Then reach out to shake hands and introduce yourself.
Howzit Nels, Now let’s not start on Hawaii, this incident happened in So. Cal. thing. It’s not we condon violence, we just use it to control situations
No problem, not meaning to “pick on” Hawaii…but as you say violence is somewhat frequently used to control situations there and I seldom hear about any “surf rage” violence resulting in jail time in Hawaii. Where I live we’ve had violent locals sentenced to years in jail and probation which prohibits them from surfing or going to their local beach.
In California lawyers and the threat of legal action is often used for control, so one needs to be aware of possible ramifications if not knowledgeable about possibilities. I bet most older Hawaiians would laugh their asses off watching one fairly common situation here. People under age 18 are legal minors and apparently have a lot of legal “protection” from violence from legal adults. This results in the basic 14/15/16 year old feeling his oats and just ripping off older surfers, using it as a tool to hide bad behaviour behind. You punch such an offender and mommy and daddy get the family lawyer and you wind up paying out damages. The funny thing is they are clueless - you can do some serious violence and permanent damage to the little peckerwoods if you are so inclined. They don’t seem to comprehend that the spectre of cashing in later doesn’t physically protect you now.
Anyway, on my earlier post I got sidetracked when I wrote “The beach is no different”. Kind of hated to see those words, but they ring true. What I meant to get in that post was that in large, overpopulated places like southern California where such incidents take place you may not be dealing with whatever just happened in the water. You have no idea what else is going on in the clown’s personal life. You can have a normal looking family man out in the water, but he may be in debt up to his ears, losing his job, getting divorced, blah blah blah, and just be in range of a good mental snap.
actually if my memory serves me right many years ago someone did try to take a situation where a board was shot and someone got hurt on the northshore but it was thrown out of court.
In Hawaii it’s alot different, most of the suits are from bozos who don’t listen to the lifeguards or posted warning signs and get in trouble and die then have their families sue the city and the state because not more was done to protect them from their own macho stupidity. Being a lifeguard here is an emotional nightmare…
Look at frosty(marc cunningham) around the same age as me and although part dolphin looks around 20 years older.
Like jumping into waimea at night in the middle of winter.
or going out with your sponge covered in greasy suntan lotion with danger signs all around the beach
or sticking your rear end over the blowhole(hawaii’s old faithful)
or jumping off a portlock cliff who’s current splashes you straight back into the cliff rocks…
Probably the same kind of guy that picked the beef over his poor judgement.
I see these guys all the time. They only only have a 30 minute lunch break to surf or are playing hooky come blazing out Occy style wanting to catch every single wave in the ocean in that thirty minutes so they do not think or care of the consequences of their actions unless the bigger alpha male decides to show them the light. Even then some are just too dense or too caught up in what’s really bothering them to get the message kind of like this guy.
So the best thing to do is to let them go their way… the ocean and the waves are always there and things will even out some way some how. Sometimes a kind word or two to put things in perspective is needed to help diffuse things. And I have no qualms of a bump or two if that’s required too. I’ve been run over run out and skegged by the best of them… but that’s how you learn where to be and when to be where you should in the lineup its the part of really learning how what it is to be a surfer…
Maybe that’s what’s missing from the equation today.
Once urethane prevented us from doing those long swims in we kind of forgot alot of the lessons we learned as youth. The youth nowadays I guess never had the benefit of workign through the current to retrieve your board before it got bashed on the rocks, stolen, or swept out to see because of bad judgement.
Oh yea you should’ve schooled the guy’s daughter that what he was doing wasn’t right… She needs to know that and he needs to know she knows that too… Probably the best comeback you could’ve made…
And Nels Cali is Cali it’s got it’s own problems just like anywhere else, I’m sure the surf slums of Rio are in much worse condition… We got it good here in Hawaii, there’s always consequences for stupidity…