My darling wife Joanne said this tonight…
Is there such a word as Honoluluian…
My darling wife Joanne said this tonight…
Is there such a word as Honoluluian…
nope
it’s usually kama’aina (local) vs. malahini (visitor)
or locally townie vs countryboy or outer-island boy(or FBI)
but I swear with all that’s happening to Hawaii these past 40 years from transplanted this or that sometimes I really wonder about the whether the manifest destiny “dirty americans” really understand about fitting in to an environment versus trying to change the rest of the world to fit around them…
some transplants learn to become kama’aina/local even “Hawaiian” in spirit, some, especially the newer ones never do… It’s the Californication and Manhattanizing of the rest of the planet… Because of that one day they will create there own Honolulu-ian vision.
At least you guys started off right labeling us seppos right off the bat…
nope
but I swear with all that’s happening to Hawaii these past 40 years from transplanted this or that sometimes I really wonder about the whether the manifest destiny “dirty americans” really understand about fitting in to an environment versus trying to change the rest of the world to fit around them…
some transplants learn to become kama’aina/local even “Hawaiian” in spirit, some, especially the newer ones never do… It’s the Californication and Manhattanizing of the rest of the planet… Because of that one day they will create there own Honolulu-ian vision.
At least you guys started off right labeling us seppos right off the bat…
I’ve thought the same thing here in this part of California. Now its brick sidewalks, gold chains, and chrome rims. It used to be hiking boots and sleeping bags. Too bad, it seems to be everywhere.
While traveling last week on the big island, I was stuck in traffic for a 1/2 hour in Waimea. Stunned, I thought I was home.
nopeit’s usually kama’aina (local) vs. malahini (visitor)
or locally townie vs countryboy or outer-island boy(or FBI)
but I swear with all that’s happening to Hawaii these past 40 years from transplanted this or that sometimes I really wonder about the whether the manifest destiny “dirty americans” really understand about fitting in to an environment versus trying to change the rest of the world to fit around them…
some transplants learn to become kama’aina/local even “Hawaiian” in spirit, some, especially the newer ones never do… It’s the Californication and Manhattanizing of the rest of the planet… Because of that one day they will create there own Honolulu-ian vision.
At least you guys started off right labeling us seppos right off the bat…
You and I think alike a whole lot, sir. You’d better seek help immediately.
The north shore is a good example. 90% of those crying, “Keep the Country country!” have moved here during the last 15 or 20 years, and in fact, started the proces they are now making such a show of trying to stop. Rather than adapting to our unique, relaxed Hawaiian/Asian culture, with all of its wonderful, easygoing, melting pot goodness, have instead overwhelmed that once very local part of the state, and turned it into an annex of Orange County. So, they go the rally to stop the Turtle Bay expansion, and sport the bumper sticker, too, but they are, in their thinking and ways, not Hawaiian, or local. None of them have had grandparents who actually wore those wooden slippers with the two wood blocks on the bottom, and bathed in an actual furo behind the house, or whatever the filipino/chinese equivalent is. 100,000 people like them surround them, and they call themselves, and feel “local” but to people like me, they are quite a different sort. Some are very nice and I count some among my valued friends, but there is nothing local about them.
Yes, I know exactly what you’re talking about, and it’s a done deal already. But, it’s the way of the world, sadly. Waimanalo is one of the few places on this island that still feels like Hawaii to me. The North Shore just doesn’t feel like home anymore.
hate to tell you this but waimanalo will be gone soon as Hawaii Kai encroaches from the south and the Lanikai bunch start encroaching from the north. Polo club now, gentlemen ranches or farms then soon subdivision after subdivision. They’ve already pushed from Kaneohe past Punalu’u into Hauula and will have to change direction once they reach Laie because the development is coming the other way from Velzyland on.
People will fight each other to get a chance live on the cool, wet and green side of the island closer to town like they do to live in Mililani versus living in the hot red dust encrusted Ewa Plains where we’ve endured this half a century. It pisses me off to have to wait in line to get a haircut at Fantastic Sams versus the old local filipino barbershop and watch “honolulu-ian” after “honolulu-ian” cut infront of me with their cellphone attached to their ear because they made a “reservation” walking in to the shopping center and have to listen to them complain in the chair about the local area the local people they are somehow now forced to share the world with. Same people who drive like they are on the mainland versus in Hawaii cutting in and out in a rush to go nowhere fast.
I watched Californication take over the I-5 corrider in the 70’s-80’s especially in Seattle and now Portland but also everywhere else from LA to Vancouver BC.
I also thank god for all the transplants who’ve assimillated and are now more “Hawaiian” than half the native Hawaiians I know. But here it’s not just a mainland issue as there are other “transplant” cultural problems from the south pacific and southeast asia as well. Funny how all the older immigrants found a way to mesh togethor to create our old pidgeon language culture. Easy access to media and communications has ruined the get to know your neighbor concept of the 50’s.
Like anything when the breaking point finally occurs the change will happen, it won’t be pretty and those that don’t like it will just pack up and go home where they came from like they always do… There’s only so much you can do to an island before it blows up or sinks into the sea. Sad to say maybe it’ll take another Iniki to wipe out Oahu like Katrina did to the southeast or the expected pandemic to wipe the slate clean again.
Meanwhile I’ll suffer in my desert homeland and just keep dawn patrolling my homebreak till they take that away from me too.
The Northshore died when they created pro-surfing
Funny how “Honolulu-ian” and “Alien” kind of sound the same…
Howzit oneula, Same thing happening here on Kauai. The newbies just don’t seem to have a clue about being part of the Hawaiian community or it’s culture. Us long time residents try to talk to them and sometimes it helps but most of the time it goes in 1 ear and out the other. Aloha,Kokua
so the question . . . is it attitude of the person or certain actions / mentality they must adopt? Something people can learn or is it just hardwired into them?
Or is it that the trannys just want it their way and won’t change?
You think you guys got it bad? Well, what about us here in California? Californication is a given. Worse yet, I live in Los Angeles County. Los Angeles is like the devil. There was a group in San Diego called “PLAN” - Prevent Los Angelization Now. So, I live like in the place where all evil is born. And now we have the “Mansionization” of Los Angeles! That’s where they take the little Craftsman Bungalows with a front yard and back yard, tear them down and either build three condos or one big 3 story McMansion (aka Mediterrenean Tract Mansion) with little more than a ten foot strip of “yard” in the front and back. The whole feeling gets concrete and claustraphobic…
Last week the showers at my local beach were all tagged up with grafitti. YOu risk getting sick if you surf after the rain.
And yet, still, in this crowded world…
Last Sunday the waves were head high and barreling and not too crowded and it was all good.
Don’t get too discouraged. Keep the stoke.
But here it’s not just a mainland issue as there are other “transplant” cultural problems from the south pacific and southeast asia as well.
Thank you for taking the time to say this, oneula…because I’m sick to fucking death of hearing the word “Californication” applied to all the worlds problems like “Californicators” ruined the world…when if absolute fact it happened here first, and still happens frequently. It’s an easy, cheap shot to take, blaming everything on California…and this is a cheap easy shot people all over the U.S. and elsewhere like to take, because we live in a cheap, easy time and culture. I get the same vibe from friends and family in the mid-west and east coasts. Relatives in Oregon say they don’t understand why people live where there isn’t enough water or energy, but go all NIMBY if I suggest a lot of people can move to their state. Friends in the east lambast California for having such outrageously expensive real estate, and then I find out they live in a million dollar house and have a half million dollar vacation home on a beach in the Carolinas…and don’t even go in the water.
California is full to the fucking eyeballs with people who come from Somewhere Else, mostly just to make money. If people in Hawaii don’t like the quality of people migrating to their state now, just wait until the locusts we have to deal with get their $$$ and come looking to find their place in the sun.
The problems with certain labels is that we tend to label something, then file it and forget it. Which is not a good thing to do.
Like anything when the breaking point finally occurs the change will happen, it won’t be pretty and those that don’t like it will just pack up and go home where they came from like they always do… There’s only so much you can do to an island before it blows up or sinks into the sea. Sad to say maybe it’ll take another Iniki to wipe out Oahu like Katrina did to the southeast or the expected pandemic to wipe the slate clean again
For good people from Hawaii I wish I could offer something to ease your pain. The breaking point has been reached in California; people either surrender some part of themselves or leave. It happens in waves. That is the model. Those who don’t like it in Hawaii will mostly be the Hawaiians (natives of Hawaii of all cultures and ethnicity)…same as in California and anywhere else that has massively changed. The new people don’t know any different - they’ll like it just fine the way they find or make it.
Nels
no one says it’s bad
but its changing
and fast
mostly because of our boomer mentality
the anti-californication movement is alive and well and growing across across the country even in california it seems as is the growing anti starbucks and bigbox movement in rural america.
A Honoluluian could either be our beloved Charlie either working in a Library, riding a horse side saddle or becoming the libertarian candidate for mayor.
kind of like someone I overheard on the radio suggesting that they name the place where Don Ho played for years the Don “Ho-tel” or maybe in their infinite wisdom our city council will rename the jurisdiction, the city and county of
Don Ho…no-lulu.home of Ho-no-lulu-ians
Go surf…
O dear, sorry if I hit a nerve guys…
We were watching TV last night and saw a Hawaiian woman
My wife was thinking Polynesian but said Honoluluian…
the anti-californication movement is alive and well and growing across across the country even in california it seems
I can live with the californication term when used in the context of “nice place that changed hideously”…I do get touchy with the Californicator term if it gets used indiscriminately with “Californian”…in California we fight these fights all the time, from every side…the U.S. population is like a bowl of water tipping back and forth…some slops out on either side…more continues to be poured in…I’ve spent the past two days between Pasadena and Glendora to the east and have seen the effects of what must be huge immigration waves from various Asian countires…sad to see my grandparents old home was bulldozed for a small apartment complex but found a bit of snide humor at a sign reading “Young Dong” Korean BBQ…ch ch changes…
The problem with any general labels is that they cause problems…you mentioned Boomer mentality but I do believe we’re both boomers, eh oneula? Are we out land-raping for fun and profit? Selling out our heritages for a new Dodge Penis SUV? Not me…don’t think you could either. But the label gets applied to everybody of a certain age (or extrapolate out to origina, ethnicity, whatever) and there you go…some people want to start lighting the ovens…
Pau. End of my digression…
Nels
You think you guys got it bad? Well, what about us here in California? Californication is a given. Worse yet, I live in Los Angeles County. Los Angeles is like the devil. There was a group in San Diego called “PLAN” - Prevent Los Angelization Now. So, I live like in the place where all evil is born. And now we have the “Mansionization” of Los Angeles! That’s where they take the little Craftsman Bungalows with a front yard and back yard, tear them down and either build three condos or one big 3 story McMansion (aka Mediterrenean Tract Mansion) with little more than a ten foot strip of “yard” in the front and back. The whole feeling gets concrete and claustraphobic…
Last week the showers at my local beach were all tagged up with grafitti. YOu risk getting sick if you surf after the rain.
And yet, still, in this crowded world…
Last Sunday the waves were head high and barreling and not too crowded and it was all good.
Don’t get too discouraged. Keep the stoke.
One of the saddest things for me that I see in places like the Hawaiian islands, like parts of California, is that peoples children can not afford to live in the towns that they are from, or there are no jobs that can pay what it cost to live there, creating the ever widening divided class. We’ve become transplants driving all over creation to work.
Fuck those condos!
One of the saddest things for me that I see in places like the Hawaiian islands, like parts of California, is that peoples children can not afford to live in the towns that they are from, or there are no jobs that can pay what it cost to live there, creating the ever widening divided class. We’ve become transplants driving all over creation to work.
Guys, we’re surfers of one stripe or another…so we tend to focus on the coasts. This same thing is happening all over the place…first off in resort areas like coastal cities and (mainland) mountain communities, then the outlying areas surrounding them…then onward. Hip cities, which gentrify…forcing people into more affordable outskirts, then 'burbs. If somebody moves to California, Florida, Gulf Coast, Hawaii just for the warm weather, things like water quality and general quality of life aren’t even on their radar. No snow in winter! Nirvana.
Consider the Blue Crush earlier this decade, with hundreds of thousands of mostly young new surfers. Their parents are going to have to sell the family house to afford retirement, or if they are fortunate enough to keep the home and they kick the bucket, how many of those kids are going to be able to afford to buy out their siblings and keep the house? And what kind of resentment will that create? Or merciless greedheads who will do anything to make a buck to keep “living the life”…which was all about dirtbag fun to begin with…
Refugee Society…those little popping noises are the sounds of doors closing…
California was put on the map with the Gold Rush
in China it was gold Mountain that captured the immagination
Annexation history and shame set the stage for a hundred years before the baby boom
BBBBBBAAAAAAA BOOM
California was the best place to reproduce as well as make a fortune.
the Exploitification of california struck the template for
Entrepenuers.
the origins of the people that were responsible for this character morph were not geologically exclusive.
the new ""californians ""identified after returning to michigan,arizona texas new jersey massachusetts maine rome london finland
china japan russia samoa hawaii
were envied so deeply they spawned
wave after wave of guileless expecterations on the
california environs.
remember the missionaries that emmegrated to california
from hawaii too establish residences and invest in california exploitations?
local people havebeen in exodus to california from polynesia along with the rest of the world…
once spat ranch style homes were exported world wide
crafts man furniture
victorian package homes
hot rods
surf?
have llttle to do with Richard Henry Dana’s california template
or commodore sloat of general freemont or marshall’s discovery at sutters mill.
and more in common with Black Bart.
poor california
once so rich in spirit
dig deep int the sand
there is more there than Frankie Avalon
he was not a californian but indeed a breathless transplant
the thirties dust bowl they was called oakies and arkies
woody Guthrie wrote Do RE MI
read that for some backround
THEY SAY CALIFORNIA IS THE GARDEN OF EDEN
a pleasure to visit or to see
but you better go back to texas georgia tennesee
if you dont have the DO RE MI
…ambrose…
california tear running down my cheek
In a lighter spirit and in honor of the poet laureat of Waipoli
some of my favorite memories of a honolulu long past in song.
buss out your ukes boyz and jus press…
I Fell In Love With Honolulu (Alfred Apaka)
Donald Neil McKay
I fell in love with Honolulu
When I saw a girl with flowers in her hair
When she gave me her aloha smile
I was glad that I could stay awhile
I fell in love with Honolulu
When we walked together on Waikiki sand
Watched the flowing sunset hand in hand
Felt the tradewinds caress
Bridge:
And though I went away
My heart stayed on
Will she be waiting for me?
Will she be gone
I’m going back to Honolulu
To the island girl with flowers in her hair
If she`s waiting I will hold her close and never stray
From Honolulu, in Hawai`i nei
HONOLULU, HOW DO YOU DO! (Sand Island Band)
(1932) Philip F Phelps
Honolulu, how do you do
Honolulu, glad to see you
I love your sunshine
Honest I do
That’s why you see me
Smiling at you
You’re the flow’r of
Old Mother Earth,
We gotta tip our hats to you
I love your mountain streams
And your ocean breeze
Honolulu, I’m wild about you
HONOLULU, I AM COMING BACK AGAIN (Sunday Manoa)
(1922) Lyrics: F. B. Silverwood Music: David S. Lindeman
I seem to hear the Pali calling me
I seem to hear the surf at Waikiki
And from Pacific Heights, I seem to see the lights
Of a city that is very dear to me
I seem to see the waving sugar cane
The cocoa palms all nodding in the rain
In fancy I am led
Back to dear old Diamond Head
Honolulu, I’m coming back again
I seem to hear the Pali calling me
I seem to hear the surf at Waikiki
And from Pacific Heights, I can see the lights
Of a city that is very dear to me
I seem to see the waving sugar cane
The cocoa palms are nodding in the rain
In fancy I am led
Back to dear old Diamond Head
Honolulu, I’m coming back again
Honolulu, I am coming back again
Honolulu, I am coming back again
HONOLULU BABY (Sunday Manoa)
From the 1933 Laurel and Hardy film Sons of the Desert
A7 D A
Honolulu Baby, where’d you get those eyes
E7 A A7
And that dark complexion, I idolize
A D A
Honolulu Baby, where’d you get that style
E7 A
And those pretty red lips, and that sunny smile
A7 D A
Neath palm trees swaying, at Waikiki
E7 A
Honolulu Baby, you’re the one for me
A7 D A
Neath palm trees swaying at Waikiki
E7 A
Honolulu Baby, you’re the one for me
A7 D A
Honolulu Baby, when you start to sway
E7 A
All the men go crazy, they seem to say
A D A
Honolulu Baby, at Waikiki
E7 A
Honolulu Baby, you’re the one for me
A D A
Honolulu Baby at Waikiki
E7 A
Honolulu Baby, you’re the one for me
A D A
Honolulu Baby at Waikiki
E7 A
Honolulu Baby, you’re the one for me
Honoluluism’s everywhere you look
an dont forget the brother beamer
honolulu city lights
Looking out upon the city lights and the stars above the ocean,
Got my ticket for the midnight plane and its not easy to leave again.
Took my clothes and put them in the bag; try not to think just yet of
leaving.
Looking out into the city night and it’s not easy to leave again.
(Chorus)
Each time Honolulu city lights stir up memories in me.
Each night Honolulu city lights bring me back again.
You are my island sunset; you are my island dream.
Put on my shoes and light a cigarette.
Wonderin’ which of my friends will be here
Standin’ with their leis around my neck.
It’s not easy to leave again.
(Chorus)
Each time Honolulu city lights stir up memories in me.
Each night Honolulu city lights bring me back again.
Bring me back again.
that ron jacobs instilled in me
with hiss radio
an exposure to the music
of this land in the sea.
honolulu is the center
and a hub greater
than just an island
the pacific wide looks
to the honolulu crossroad
for it’s notorious cosmopolitan
atmosphere amidst the tradewinds
the coco palms and the melodies
carrying the lyrics of life
on an island.
the dream of daily life
is hard to shed once lived.
move where you may
set aside some time each day
to wish to return
…ambrose…
some day
wailua river valley where we used to play
larry rivera said that.
hele on
by John Kelly
john kelly’s dad I believe.
roddy kalakukui tole me…
kelly is riding a mat
…ambrose…
how to grow old?
watch the old guys and learn…
From Cent Cal to Socal to the bright lights of Viva Las Vegas…
Been to HI, Amsterdam, carribean and +/-25 other states… as a visitor - some good some bad…
I currently live in my Beach House on the Moon…
But I digress.
I have heard from “Locals” from Vegas (There was a story in the RJ the other day that the guy being interviewed said he did not know of anyone who grew up in Vegas…) that bitch constantly about Californians, Chicago, Jersey, etc. that have taken over this town…
I do not want to start a topic on “illegal Aliens” but that is what all the non hispanic people can agree upon (Except for Mr. Reid)
We too are an island. They have said we will run out of land to build houses on in 5 years because the BLM (FEDS) own all of the land around this place. We are an island in the desert praying that SoCal won’t take all of the H20 and it snows like hell in Colorado to refill the lake…
Like they need more people here - As Nels was so eloquently stating “NIMBY”…!
Wherever you go - there you are…
in 10, 20, 30, even a 1000 years (if we can make it that long)
They will still be bitching…
Stop popping out kids - buying stuff you do not need - keep stuff longer…
yeah - I am moving back to SoCal
Its just to damn hot and windy out here
and except for that one spot over there
Lake Mead is still flat…
The Crowds will be getting worse
Never Better - no matter wherever “here” is for you…
ramblings on…
Enjoy the weekend and catch as much soul as possible…