planer question for Mike D Or Jim Or any other planer badass

So I have shaped around one hundred boards and am really trying to dial in my planer work. I want to make better boards but become more efficient. I notice my biggest problem is when taking a blank down to thickness I can’t get a even cut towards the tail and nose. I get those dig lines in between passes. Also somethimes when I do a strait cut(without the planer on a angle) I cut deeper on one side. I am having problems figuring out where I should have my pressure. I want to be able to mostly shape with a planer instead of spending so much time cleaning up uneven cuts. 

 

Thanks, guys!!!

Hotwire your own blanks.. cheaper and you cut them to the correct thickness and foil.  I've heard boards and blanks are expensive up your way, this might be a better option all the way around. 

hotwiring is fine but I am shaping boards for shops/ people I need poly bc thats what everyone here wants. Plus I dont have any extra room for rocker tables jigs ect. I have 8 boards going on in my shop right now and can barely find any extra space. I am after the craft like the old ghost shapers have. If I wanted to make money doing this I would buy a machine and a big marketing budget lol

Not trying to find a new solution just to advance my skills…

I’m at work right now and replying off my phone, so this will have to be short. Later this evening I can add some detail…

For your thicknessing passes, the planer should always be on an angle. The first cut, following the outline along the perimeter of outline, is critical. The baseplate is going to ride that on the next cut and so on… The rest of it is controlling pressure on the tool; varying pressure fore and aft to push on the baseplate or the shoe. 

Always glad to help someone who wants to shape with a planer!

Mike, I can’t wait to read your detailed response. I just got my first power planer (Bosch) and have only made boards with hand tools up unitl now. I’ve done some planer practice on scraps but haven’t touched a blank with it yet.

Thanks mike I got the angle part but have a problem keeping a equal cut when running downhill to the nose or tail. I just want to do it right and spend less time blocking lol

I used to have the same problem when i first started shaping. What planer are you using? Bosch and Hitachi’s i found require you to have to put pressure on the planer to get even passes due to their lightness. Once i switched to the Skil 100 and the 653 the weight of the planer really helped and there wasn’t as great of a need to push down on the planer. 

for what it is worth - i have only shaped about 300.....

i put a grit drum on my planer and it makes it way easier to keep a consistent cut.

abrupt changes in the rocker are always going to a bit more difficult.

i like to make my first pass following the outline of the blank like mike says. then take narrower cuts at the tips and wider cut in the middle untill you last couple cuts before the stringer are parallel to the stringer. the only cut i start at the very tip is the first one. the rest i 'land' and 'take off' like a plane on a runway.

 if you find that you are digging in on the stringer side on your first outside cut, then you can angle the plane out slightly (like cutting vee). as long as its not too drastic, then the next cut will true it up flat. sometime you have to cut more away on the rails anyways if you are trying to get a flat bottom as a lot of the blanks come with concave built in - that can cause your planer to tilt inward and dig in also.

i dont know why i wrote all this its probably no help - just get the jim phillips shaper movie. http://www.damascusproductions.com/MasterSeries.php?ID=Shaper

thanks Grasshopper, Its def me not the planer. I have an accurate and a skill. I just want to be one of those guys that can rough out a blank with a planer and make it look like someone did it with a surform. I have four blanks I am templating out today so will give it a go mannana.

Sometime a while back I wrote a description of the thicknessing/bottom rocker process for PU blanks, i was hoping I could find it and paste in here - no luck. Maybe somone with better search skills than I can find it. Anyway, here's a second ''pass''....

Look at the blank first. Check for twist or any high or low spots. Before you go at the thicknessing, ''block'' the bottom with your planer near zero if needed to remove any glue drips and/or get stringer flush. A smooth surface is required for everything to go right. Then you're going to figure how many cuts you're going to take to get to desired thickness. The best way to minimize the ''trails'' and make the blocksanding very easy is to leave yourself a half pass for final cleanup on bottom, so figure your cuts accordingly. Generally, the way I was taught was to plane to within ~1/8'' of finish while thicknessing and doing rocker and bottom contours, then take that final full-length pass at 1/16'' depth. Rocker/foil changes are done with stagger or fade cuts, which is another subject.The other 1/16'' you're going to take of the deck when you get there.You barely have to blocksand the bottom if done properly (unless there's lots of concave, concave always involves a few ''trails'', lol)

If you're having trouble getting an even (full depth?) cut at nose and tail, it may be because you're used to pushing down on the tool in the middle of board and when you get to the ends the blank moves away from you; since it's hanging off the end of rack. Is the other end rising up off the rack when you do this? The solution (for me) was to get used to very minimal pressure on tool at all stages of cuts, and of course you have to pitch the planer properly to follow the curve in rocker.

The ''trails'' are left by the corners of your blades, and it's a subtle dance of pressure to avoid them. I wish I could explain it better. It's something that will come with experience. Don't worry about it much on the initial cuts, you're just going to mow them off in the next. That careful cleanup pass at the end was a key lesson for me.

If you're skinning and doing rough thickness before outline, doing what grasshopper said on first cut along rail will work. But if you've cut your outline first, there's the risk of putting in a little wiggle right in the wrong spot. To keep it flat and get that first pass clean, you have to start out with pressure on shoe (forward) but quickly shift to even or a little more on baseplate (rear) as the baseplate becomes engaged with the blank (it starts hanging off in space). I always start from tail on the perimeter cut, because that's how Jim P showed me.

girvin, you already know this, but for others reading - the perimeter (first) pass follows the outline, each succeeding pass gets straighter until you get to stringer. Stringer is done slowly, and with the grain (on bottom that's from center to ends, vice-versa on deck). Don't just ''follow the blank'', many PU blanks have little imperfections that experienced shapers will get to know. If it's your first time using a blank look it over carefully before starting and check constantly as you shape. Almost all PU blanks require some foiling at tips, otherwise you'll get a ''blob'' nose and/or tail.

Thanks Mike I think that half pass at the end is what I need to work on.

you have to start out with pressure on shoe (forward) but quickly shift to even or a little more on baseplate (rear) as the baseplate becomes engaged with the blank (it starts hanging off in space)

(above) when doing this first pass do you have the planer at an angle like the rest of them or is it strait?

Thanks mike. Great tips.

That first perimeter pass is done with planer angled, but when you start it is a reduced angle. That gets the baseplate engaged quicker, and then the tool is twisted to the ~40d used for the rest of the pass. The perimeter cut is also as wide as possible, so the angle isn't quite as much as subsequent cuts. Since the surface produced is the guide for the rest of the cuts, it's important to get it flat - making it wide seems to help.

Is your Skil baseplate shortened? If you're doing shortboards that's an important mod.

I wish Jim would join in here, he would be welcomed. I'm just trying to pass on what I learned from him. I was very fortunate to work with him daily for 5 years. Everyone interested in good planer technique should watch his vid.

after watching jims vid, planer technique immediately improved.

another thing i like is for the depth adjustment to be pretty tight so that it does not wander when i dont want it to. this is definately a personal preference though. not sure how you adjust this on the skil/accurate? masking tape or rubber bands can help sometimes.

when i use blades, i tend to start on one side and rip right through the stringer to the other side. with the grit drum, i start one side and cut up to the stringer, then start on the other side and cut up to the stringer. then take down just the stringer on a slightly more than zero cut.

i also like to cut the blank close to desired thickness and rocker before templating. after i cut the outline, i true up the deck rocker and dome (depending on how your outline falls on a molded blank, your rail line will be wonky some places). then true up the outline with sureform, planer, flexible sanding block. like mike said, i should have enough foam left to take a half pass over the bottom and add bottom contours. some fine tune of the foil, cut rails and smooth everything out. if you can get your hands on a grit drum, you should try it. waaaaaaay easier to get a perfect finish with little to no trails. blades have more power but definately harder to master a perfect cut.

For a planer newbie do you think it’s more forgiving to bring the blank to thickness before cutting the outline? 

Yes, I would say for newbies it’s best to take a cut or two and do any major rocker changes before outlining. I don’t think it’s necessary to go all the way to finish bottom though. Keeping the full width of the blank makes it more forgiving, as most of your booboos are going to be out on the rail; and it shows any twist or unevenness in bottom more easily. 

Lots of shapers plane both sides to thickness (within 1/8") before they template. Once you start doing so;  You will see the advantages.

Dam I’m not even original, I had to put you through this AGAIN?!  Really sorry mate…

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