Anyone see the new Pope Bisect? Reportedly, 9’6" weighs 15 lbs - 25% lighter and 10 times stronger than conventional boards. Pricing at $1800 and IMO probably worth it. From what I’ve seen of the new bisects, they’ve got it down.
15 POUNDS?!?! WOW! and it’s got extra hardware in it for the bisect operation right? Got a link?
15 POUNDS!!! WOW! and it’s got extra hardware in it for the bisect > operation right? Got a link? What is the advantage of a 15 pound longboard?You wanna do airs?Trying to crosstep and trim the thing would unstable.Don’t get me wrong I love the concept of durability but weight is not that big of a factor.Weight=momentum…which gives you drive.I have friend who got a Surftech longboard…it was light but all the weight was in the skin and it didn’t feel right.I would like to see these same high tech composite longboards built with a little more core weight…they would ride better and be even more durable.I do like the bisect idea,it is one of the best innovations that I have seen to this point.Thats just my opinion which is worth around 3 cents in the current market.
What is the advantage of a 15 pound longboard? Think of it as luggage. I agree with you on the wieght/feel thing. also I think the rigidity of carbon fiber would be a turn off. but damn, a 15 lb 9’6".
Think of it as luggage. I agree with you on the wieght/feel thing. also I > think the rigidity of carbon fiber would be a turn off. but damn, a 15 lb > 9’6". I agree J.R. lets forget the weight thing and adress the bisect thing.When I first saw it I was stoked to see that Pope finally had it wired.I fantasized about plane trips but lets face it the best thing is that you can lock the board up in your car and not be ripped off.The only problem with composite epoxy boards is that they self destruct in a hot car.About the worse thing that can happen with a standard polyester board is that the wax will melt.I think that the bisect deal could really do well in the market if they could get the price down and simplify the installation.Hell I have been thinking about a way to fold the board in half with a hinge of some sort but it is going nowhere.
I found one but no picture. There is a picture of one in the new Outside magazine. I think light weight is a subjective thing, but good, especially while traveling. My personal boards, especially for bigger waves, are multi stringered and glassed heavy on purpose. The Pope website has references to people traveling with the boards and never paying an extra fee - they compare the broken down board in a case to a bag of golf clubs which are never subject to extra fee. I personally think that the technology is here now… strong light weight boards can be built at a price. Surfboard grade epoxy is about $100.00 a gallon and exotic fabrics are running as much as $30.00+ per yard. Add to that the fact that epoxy takes longer to cure (decreasing production rate while increasing expenses) and it’s no wonder manufacturers stick with the status quo. The bottom line? Major manufacturers have been selling us the ultra light/high performance BS for years and the end result is a piece of shit disposable product. Check out ANY off the rack board a year or two old and it’s falling apart - deck delams, broken fins and brown spots from leaky glass jobs (not dings) are the norm. Why should they spend extra to manufacture a durable product? It’s only going to cut in to their repeat sales. Besides that the average surf punk is like, “DUDE! I can get one ALMOST as good at Costco for $299.00!” And Cleanlines (no disrespect here) - if you dig weight (I totally agree with the momentum thing), just throw a few extra layers on it… it’ll last forever! http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,12543,232241,00.html
I found one but no picture. There is a picture of one in the new Outside > magazine. I think light weight is a subjective thing, but good, especially > while traveling. My personal boards, especially for bigger waves, are > multi stringered and glassed heavy on purpose. The Pope website has > references to people traveling with the boards and never paying an extra > fee - they compare the broken down board in a case to a bag of golf clubs > which are never subject to extra fee. I personally think that the > technology is here now… strong light weight boards can be built at a > price. Surfboard grade epoxy is about $100.00 a gallon and exotic fabrics > are running as much as $30.00+ per yard. Add to that the fact that epoxy > takes longer to cure (decreasing production rate while increasing > expenses) and it’s no wonder manufacturers stick with the status quo. The > bottom line? Major manufacturers have been selling us the ultra light/high > performance BS for years and the end result is a piece of shit disposable > product. Check out ANY off the rack board a year or two old and it’s > falling apart - deck delams, broken fins and brown spots from leaky glass > jobs (not dings) are the norm. Why should they spend extra to manufacture > a durable product? It’s only going to cut in to their repeat sales. > Besides that the average surf punk is like, “DUDE! I can get one > ALMOST as good at Costco for $299.00!” And Cleanlines (no disrespect > here) - if you dig weight (I totally agree with the momentum thing), just > throw a few extra layers on it… it’ll last forever! Hey John Well said,I totally agree with everything that you posted.As for the weight thing it is an on going argument and will never be resolved,just another part of the crazy world of surfboard design.Alot more interesting than the kids going"Yo Dude did you see that fat air in the new Rusty add!?"
I found one but no picture. There is a picture of one in the new Outside > magazine. I think light weight is a subjective thing, but good, especially > while traveling. My personal boards, especially for bigger waves, are > multi stringered and glassed heavy on purpose. The Pope website has > references to people traveling with the boards and never paying an extra > fee - they compare the broken down board in a case to a bag of golf clubs > which are never subject to extra fee. I personally think that the > technology is here now… strong light weight boards can be built at a > price. Surfboard grade epoxy is about $100.00 a gallon and exotic fabrics > are running as much as $30.00+ per yard. Add to that the fact that epoxy > takes longer to cure (decreasing production rate while increasing > expenses) and it’s no wonder manufacturers stick with the status quo. The > bottom line? Major manufacturers have been selling us the ultra light/high > performance BS for years and the end result is a piece of shit disposable > product. Check out ANY off the rack board a year or two old and it’s > falling apart - deck delams, broken fins and brown spots from leaky glass > jobs (not dings) are the norm. Why should they spend extra to manufacture > a durable product? It’s only going to cut in to their repeat sales. > Besides that the average surf punk is like, “DUDE! I can get one > ALMOST as good at Costco for $299.00!” And Cleanlines (no disrespect > here) - if you dig weight (I totally agree with the momentum thing), just > throw a few extra layers on it… it’ll last forever! I’ve been traveling with my bisect for 3 years now and have never been charged by the airlines. It’s more than paid for itself and surfs like a regular board, couldn’t be more pleased.
Anyone see the new Pope Bisect? Reportedly, 9’6" weighs 15 lbs - 25% > lighter and 10 times stronger than conventional boards. Pricing at $1800 > and IMO probably worth it. From what I’ve seen of the new bisects, they’ve > got it down. just saw Thane Pope today .Their boards are nice but lets just say their place of manufacture is far,far away.
I agree J.R. lets forget the weight thing and adress the bisect thing.When > I first saw it I was stoked to see that Pope finally had it wired.I > fantasized about plane trips but lets face it the best thing is that you > can lock the board up in your car and not be ripped off.The only problem > with composite epoxy boards is that they self destruct in a hot car.About > the worse thing that can happen with a standard polyester board is that > the wax will melt.I think that the bisect deal could really do well in the > market if they could get the price down and simplify the installation.Hell > I have been thinking about a way to fold the board in half with a hinge of > some sort but it is going nowhere. the idea is great,people who i have talked to that use them love them and if they are selling as many boards a month as i have been told, then expect them to be around for a long time.
they make a hollow,thick foiled carbon fin for longboards that works reaaly good, especially when the surf starts crankin’