LG
understood, however in life and in “Art” to say “this is” or “that is not” or to label and name call is useless bud - it is what it is weather we agree or disagree - having said that i will also step off the box of soap and offer my understanding about your tax dollar and the destruction of public property. i’m not into throwing up bombs on walls - it’s not for me
the article is beautiful and so are the photographs - that left is a great wave! thanks for sharing the link!!!
His polaroids of the christmas trees are A+.
Always stoked to see pictures of people putting their hulls through some gears.
On another note, I thought I might post some hull pics. Most people here have already seen my 6’1’’ stub but, I might as well share a Liddle story.
Rode it the other day with less than ideal conditions; there was some decent size with power behind them. Tried a new 8.5 volan “hull flex” by the folks over at Rainbow (always a pleasure to go into the Haut shop and smell the resin and have a chat); re-foiled the fin for better flex and the side bites Greg made for the board, about half of the original size. I went with a similar set up as I have been riding in the GeeBee, which was a good 1 1/2 or 2 inches further back then when it is just a single fin. Anyway it felt like the smoothest set up so far. Talked with Mr. Andreini about the board and fin set up; he told me a story about surfing a Liddle, somewhere far far away in some powerful surf, with the 2 plus one set up. The in-line way Greg sets up the fins really stoked him out. Super smooth lots of drive, even saying he could push with all his might and have it hold.
Anyway here the pics of the new fin set up. Oh, I also cut that extra inch off the tail to try and remove excess weight but, kept the arc tail outline.
i guess yr right, matt… he’s turning frontside. (!)
umm so… did i unnerstan correctly that there is yet another tsj hull article in the works? ( this last one having more to do with displacement film/kopps)
Hi
I had a couple of helpful PM’s from Roger Doucette himself who brought some light on the subject. The board he was describing was a true pig outline wide point aft . He again said it was a great board to ride . He has no photos or dimensions unfortunately. On the question of why they are not common he suggests that first third is where you need to be for speed and the movement was concening itself with that approach above any thing else . Makes sense . Still got me wondering what a hull would go like with reverse outline .
Cheers
Mpcutback
Liddle made those early 68 kinda of a hippy pintail, Matt Miller has one , then later a board he called the ID, theres a new one at Shelter surfshop, wide point middle or back a bit. Fineline makes a model the Microant thats a hull with that type of template look on his site there are some pics.
Wide point back - more curve in tail - probably tighter turns, less projection
Just saw the TSJ Displacement article. Thought it was distasteful, disgraceful, disorganized, disgusting, and disinteresting. I say, save a tree and don’t waste paper. If you’re not going to do it right, don’t do it!
I liked it better when we hullers were in the background of surfing journalism. It was such a “stoke” to see the rare mag photo of a friend hulling, with the caption under the photo saying,
“unknown at Malibu, with rail buried and driving.”
I think you might have missed the point; it’s not an article about hulls, it’s an article about a movie about hulls…TSJ always has an article about artists in every issue…their featured artist this go-round is Alex. Art is not journalism (necessarily) so your opinion is about Alex’s art. That’s cool though. The point of art is to elicit an emotion, good or bad. I think Alex did a pretty good job with you! 
Personally, I like Alex’s stuff, even the graffiti. It’s fine art crossed up with performance art…Kinda like an young urban Christo. There’s a fine line between vandalism and art. A gang tag is more like a sign than art. To me there is a difference. It’s up to artists like Alex to find that fine line and push it around.
I’m looking forward to the movie’s release…in what, 4-5 years? By then the hip-hull thing will be long gone and we can enjoy the flic without wearing those tight pants and orange sports coats…
Lee V,
Don’t get me wrong, I like Alex’s art, always have.
It’s the nature of the beast. I found TSJ piece a waste of space.
To me, that mag has been going downhill since PG left, sorry Scott, nothing personal.
I too am looking forward to this movie, whenever that will be.
really does anyone feel hulls are hip now cuz the tsj article(s) that came out? Outside of the SoCal long-time hullers, only the TsJ readership would know about them, and of that, only a small handful even bother to look at, much less read the articles. ( i have friends who have tsj subcriptions, who have no idea whatsoever about hull… and think i’m nuts for spending the $ i did on one ) Look at this thread. It’s the longest running one on Sway’s i’m sure … but it’s the same people posting over and over… what 10 of us? kinda funny ain’t it?
9N78W,
I do think that TSJ articles are responsible for the growth in the current local popularity of hull riding. They have also created a much greater used Liddle market than ever before, from those who couldn’t or wouldn’t change their styles to adapt to hull riding.
The surfers who have switched to and stuck with the hulls, are a welcomed addition to the hull family.
If someone would have asked me two years ago, if I thought that there would be any other Liddle riders living in Torrance or the South Bay, I would have responded,“no way!” But now, there are at least four guys who live within a mile of me who ride Liddles, and I think, most of them post here.
If someone would have asked me two years ago, if I thought that there would be any other Liddle riders living in Torrance or the South Bay, I would have responded,“no way!”
Hi PJD - so true, I think. There is a guy up here who is adapt in displacement hull boards, and has a slew of them for varying conditions. He just goes out and finds the waves w/o tooting his own horn. I like the guy. Nick, posts here as nicko. He looks a lot like Joe Curren. Good, good surfer.
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well i guess i should have qualified my statement about tsj popularizing hulls … but still 4-5 other people Torr or SoBay has got to be a minute % of the surfing population of them places…
the growth of the used Liddle/Hull market is indicative of something that’s been stated here all along, that hulls ain’t so easy to ride, or really only excel in certain types of surf… that, in and of itself will ensure that hull riders continue to be somewhat underground… me thinks.
i have to be grateful to the article… … the brief clips of JG on that pavel hull in Sprout, is what first caught my attention, and the tsj article and sways convinced me that this is what i’ve been looking for… so i broke the piggybank and got one. ( i don’t live in a hotbed of creative surf designs ) So i can’t get enough hull pics, clips, articles.
But if i lived up where you guys mostly are, i’m sure i’d feel the same way as you.
Gonna go have a martini at a bbq now … enjoy the rest of the weekend.
Kopps is really smart - TSJ is great … it’s really hard to be a leader no matter who you are or how good you are at something. we’re all bound to be the “people that can’t be pleased all the time” in someone else’s life. Kopps will have a following and he won’t. there are many truths and an equal amount of opinions as there are snakes and kooks … none of us are innocent of hopping on the inside though if you’ve been riding a hull long enough you realize that you NEVER have to do that because you seldom have to really worry about making a section. why not line up outside with the log army and pull a flyby? is there nothing worse than watching a cutty shortboarder drop in front of you wasting a great big wide open face by hop dancing like a spaz trying to hit anything resembling a lip. i hope you’re well PJD!!! i can’t wait to line up with you soon !
sadly the over-popularization of the displacement hull is due and though Alex is seemingly the heart of this movement’s occurrence it would’ve happened either way. the sensation a hull rider gets is easy to trip and get hooked on and this amazing feeling can be credited as the reason for the craze at present, not AK’s graffiti, art, movie, or his surfing taste. hulls have been made popular because Malibu is popular. yeah - they are IN FASHION elsewhere now too…FINALLY - brats got hip to Liddle. Z-Gen stamped it’s approval on your hull with ALL of it’s feet! i bought my first hull dec 07 and haven’t ridden anything other than pods spoons and logs since. why? i’ve never loved surfing more in the 24 years i’ve been a practitioner of it. the re-imaging of the surfboard has been a branding and logo convention since Da Bull. in their essence hulls are a unique body in that they were pioneered in an age of blossoming surfboard innovation and refinement, yet they have remained true to their salt over several decades as observed by JG in 1CADAY. ask any shaper who knows anything about one man hand made watercraft and they’ll tell you what’s up with displacement.
i’m going to hit my Siglo with a safety orange spray can today after i get some dings clothed glassed and sanded - then i’ll flexi over to see KP’s hulls on exhibition on cahuenga - hope you find an equally enjoyable pit to lay in on this V day my bday
Did you spoon out the tail rocker on this board?
Ya know if you ask most Hullers where they get their influence, most do not even know about the AK article. Or the previous one. This thread is probably a greater influence, as was One California Day, Sprout and other films showing hulls. Hell more people probably know who Alex Knost is than who Alex Kopps is.
Luckily we hullers will not have to endure the same fate as the Progressive or Vintage Longboard crowds did with the Tudor influence.
We will adapt an overcome.
(Another way to deal with this threat of over hullization might be to call your local member of congress and demand the Draft be re-instated, we will need soldiers for the upcoming WW3 with China. AHahahahahaha!)
Sean,
thanks for the disc. All went successful.
We hullers have endured and will continue to do so in the future, because it’s so damn addicting!
By the way, how is the point surf in China?
Querqueg,
Hope to see ya out there soon after my 2/18/09 surgery to remove a couple of deep rooted back cysts.
All you guys crack me up, I LOVE IT!!! its Valentines Day! give your loved ones a BIG HULLHUG!! and say a prayer for Kokua.
… OK… a few martinis later… i must say that you QQ are the William Shakespeare of the hull world. wow.
i’m gonna wake up tomorrow regretting even typing this. but que va’! gotta enjoy. ( all in good spirit )