You can have some of my extra weight.
…Im a small guy, and I dont have bottom turns problems in larger surf, but the problem is after the bottom when you hit the lip zone and turn; I mean, the recovery, thats the problem.
due to the speed that you ve got you can smash the lip very hard, but then you need to turn and drop again, all with timing.
but the ultimate problem is when you drop the wave and bottom turn, well you ve got a pretty heavy vertical face waiting for you…
pau…aloha and mahalo!
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Geez guys, I got you all beat. I’m 5’10" and I weigh 125. You heard me right 125lbs. This is due to an emotional breakup with a girl and not being able to eat for a while. I’m pretty sure this is unhealthy to be this skinny (i’ve never been over 135) so I am trying to gain weight. If anybody has any help on this subject let me know. And I know, eat eat eat. But I seriously can’t force food down my stomach, it makes me want to puke. I also don’t want to gain weight in an unhealthy manner ie. grease. Any help would be great. Thanks
You and I are built pretty damn similar, 5’9.5"and 135. last year i was 10lbs lighter. I put weight on while being vegetarian, explain that one to me? I lost 5 pounds when i came off being veg at the begining of the year(i put it back on recently) My trick to gaining weight was eat a lot of calorie dense but healthy foods like nuts dried fruit and beans. Then work out. I have the same problem as you, I can’t down large quanities of food. So, my trick was to eat a lot but not in one sitting. twos eggs in the morning with a piece of toast, then a cliff bar or a cup of rasins walnuts almonds and cashew mix at lunch with a yogurt drink. come home quesodilla, bowl of soup, or something and a piece of fruit. then dinner. and come back before bed for a snack typically another yogurt drink. the stonefields ones are about 250 calories and are quite tasty.
Thanks. That’s what I have been trying to do. I am not vegetarian but I don’t eat anything that comes from a cow. Yogart will have to be replaced, but they do have soy yogart… I have been drinking soy powder mixed with a whole banana, flax seed oil (need omega-3’s) and one egg. I drink this twice a day. after two weeks I did notice some weight gain (i actually was 122!) but I started to notice I felt really sick after drinking it so I now try to limit to drinking once a day. I think it is working and I’m doing what you are doing. Really, I’m trying to eat every 2 hours if I can which is tough!
You want power? Then bend the knees!
You can practice on a skateboard.
I’m guessing you surf the board flat, bending the knees will get it on the rail
Want to gain weight? Lift weights and drink lots of beer
Yeah, I love watching Taylor Knox surf. He’s got one of the most powerful cutbacks in the business and I’d have to say a really good roundhouse is my favorite move to watch and (on the rare occasion) do. That and the BK style bottom turn. When I was just starting my heroes were Bertlemann, Liddel, and Buttons. I especially liked Mark Liddell because he was…kind of skinny (any idea what he’s up to nowadays?).
Like Craftee I too prefer power surfers over tricksters but I was just looking through the latest SURFING mag and I made this list of photos in the ad sections before the first feature article-
Airs/slides - 20
Tube rides - 10 (including the cover)
Carves - 7
Hang ten - 1
You would think everyone is crazy about airs and tail slides. I’m not.
But that’s probably because I can’t do them.
Like the Zen master who de-emphasizes the importance of elightenment…because he hasn’t quite reached it.
Soy products are very hard to digest.The molecules are very large.Soy powders give me gas.My kids had mucus problems until we cut out the soy.My brother used creatine and gained some weight.I use Isopure whey protein powder(lactos free)
to try to keep a positive nitrogen state.
Eating a lot of small meals will speed up your metabolism even more.Sumo wrestlers hang upside down
and then take a nap after they eat a pile of food to slow down the metabolism.
I try to eat lots of burritos,bananas,avocados,and use olive oil in my cooking to keep the weight on.
I am a gangly surfer and I use the S bottom turn to set up a power carve.I start the top turn soft the use my leverage
to power through the last 1/2 of the turn.
Surf and sleep more,
Ian
5’8" @ 135lbs I think I qualify as skinny. still trying after all these years - I admire/aspire to the full buried rail surfing also. IMO, speed is key to everything, esp to bring around burried rails. Bigger open face/pockets where speed is already present is easier to draw out your power turns and as a skinny surfer a thin six-oh thruster has always been my choice to attempt it.
me on borrowed 6’0" sliding almost every turn, tad wider & thicker than I usually ride
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2524319066045836214
me on a 6’0 almost no sliding, my usual dims thin & 18" wide board, bigger face plenty speed
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I’m 6’2" 150 lbs, so I’ve got most people beat. A couple of years ago I was 6’ 130. Yeah. Protein shakes, pasta, just eat alot. Not so much fat, protein and carbs are best. Make sure you eat enough veggies and fruit still. I eat huge bowls of pasta when I work out, cycle etc just to replenish the carbs, then some protein to help rebuild the muscle.
Lavarat, I’ve heard the same thing (mucus) about dairy products however. That’s one of the many reasons I stopped with them. I will look into the soy thing though and I’ll also check out that lactose free whey powder. Problem is, whey is a product of milk so basically that is out for me.
Nathan, good advice about the pasta, I know I need to eat more of that. I will start doing that now. Plus pasta is so cheap too. Thanks.
I’m resurrecting this thread to get feedback on my next board.
Present board- Paulownia Bonzer5 6’-5" x 19-1/4" x 2-1/4" very thin rails (as thin as the 6’-0" chips I see in shops). Me- 5’-11" 155 lbs.
Problem- if I surf alone (like yesterday 
) I’m fine. As soon as someone else paddles out I’m screwed. I have to sit inside. Late4 takeoffs every time. Board floats me at my pecs.
Problem- when I really turn hard I feel the board is a little too wide for me to really sink the rails.
Question for the experts- can I go narrower, say 18-1/2" and thicker- say 2-7/16" and improve paddling? And maybe go shorter 6’-1" or 2" . Sometimes I think I lack a little control/power because the board is longer and my back foot is forward of the fin set, not right over them.
Any feedback is appreciated.
Ok, let me try this- can someone out there with aps3000 find the volumes of these two boards-
#1 - 6’-5" 11" x 19-1/4" x 14" 2-1/4" with thin rails
#2- 6’-1" 12’ x 18-3/4" x 15" 2-7/16" with slightly boxy rails.
I used to have the free version of aps3000 aku shaper but it doesn’t work for me anymore. the one thing I found very useful was calculating the volume.
Thanks for the help.
Problem- when I really turn hard I feel the board is a little too wide for me to really sink the rails.
Hey J, what’s your fin setup? Is it three?
Bonzer5. I don’t think the problem is the fin set up. I love the feel of the bonzer.
I’m trying to figure out if I can reduce the length so I can keep my back foot right over the fins (without losing even more volume- I’m a 46 year old weekend warrior). We’ve finally had some decnet head high/over head surf these past few days and on a couple waves I felt I was too far forward (away from the fins) or that the board was just a little too wide and I couldn’t lay into the turns as hard as I wanted to.
Since I make one baord a year it’s just kind of evolutionary form one to the next.
You can definitely reduce your next board’s size, to facilitate foot placement, while maintaining good overall volume.
The issue of not being able to lay your rails down easily can be overcome with more fin along the rail, ala quad or Griffin5. Bonzer5 cant compete wrt laying the rail, but making a new board will help you. Im on my 8th iteration of the same basic shape myself…keeps getting better and better, altho improvements board wise has been small, there recently have been major performance improvements with better fins and setups. I used to think fins was 50% of the ride…now I think its more than that.
Check your rockers, if they are too flat…you will always have this problem. They are a big variable in feeling equally comfortable in bigger waves. I somewhat disagree with Craftee, on a different board I can feel as comfortable in 10 ft HWN as I feel in 2 ft US East Coast. But the board length and rockers differ enormously. 9 ft pintail with 3.5 inches rear rocker vs 6 ft squash with 2.25" rear rocker - staged in both cases.
Check your rockers, if they are too flat…you will always have this problem.
How does rocker affect back foot placement Blakestah?
Lillibel, I read this thread a while ago and something didn’t sound quite right…I think I’ve figured it out now.
So for what it’s worth I think your boards skittishness and reluctance to engage in rail buried power surfing has nothing to do with it’s width or length. Why?
The width will primarily control how fast it goes rail to rail but not how deep and how effectively the rail sets and holds through a turn. Watch Rasta hold a turn on a 20 inch plus wide fish for an example.
Nor does the length sound the problem. Having the backfoot over the fin cluster actually does more for the radius of the turn than the amount of power applied and the subsequent rail set. It seems fairly well acknowledged here that Curren is the master at power surfing/carving. One of the beautiful subtleties of his technique, particularly on bigger boards and more powerful waves is the way he moves his back foot forward, away from the fin cluster, when he wants to engage the maximum of rail for a fully buried bottom turn or cutback at high speed. This allows him more control of the rail and radius of the turn. He also does it when tuberiding.
This technique is now, by the way, completely extinct from modern pro’s repertoires. Their extremely low volume forward rails and concave bottoms will not tolerate any shifting of the weight forward. The pressure must stay on the fin cluster and back half otherwise the board will instantly decelerate.
Your rails sound very sensitive to me, maybe too sensitive for power surfing. Power surfing requires resistance from the board. The rail must stay engaged but have enough resistance to hold the arc. you have to be able to push against something. That is why power surfing , as we know it, no longer exists at the ASP level. The boards don’t have enough resistance in them to hold the arc (with few notable exceptions ; Taylor Knox, Pancho, Occy, ) in a hard carving turn 9 times out of ten it will end up as some kind of slide or release.
I’ve seen a few skinny guys who could carve and it seems most of that came down to leverage: using that height to really lean over and generate some centripetal force in the arc. You have to lean over and to do that you have to trust your rail/fins to hold and run through the arc and not skitter.
That paulownia bonzer you have built looks like a carving machine. What about more base area in the back fin when it gets solid.? looking at Neal Puchase juniors’ back fin in his widowmakers in Glass Love they have a very wide base and he carves up a storm. He is a tall guy who uses leverage perfectly. he’s not skinny though.
Anyway good luck. Steve
i don’t know why i didn’t post this sooner, but while surfing this past november I was watching some guys doing awesome rail surfing. the waves were shoulder to head on sets and they were all riding their thrusters as twins, by not having the trailer fin for resistance you need tou use the rail. when you throw the trailer fin back in you can really crank through turns.