Price increases

I had posted this on the clark foam thread, but that got out of hand, so I’m starting a new thread for it…

I went down to the surfshop near my house today… half their inventory isn’t there anymore and every board has been hiked up in price from $50 - 100 more. I asked them whats up… their answer… their incoming stock will be limited so they need to conserve what they have until they can find a new manufacturer… in the mean time, the boards taken off the racks were the customs… the one left… almost 100% surftech… first off… I thought surftech wasn’t affected by this since they manufacture overseas… so why raise the prices on them? I think shops are getting greedy and see a great opportunity to rip people off… also, is it surftech or the shop raising prices? any ideas?

as far as the name of this shop… ill leave it anonymous… I dont wanna get into the whole trash talking thing going on lately…

luckily, I just went in for wax and I shape my own boards… EPS/Epoxy, so this doent really affect me.

although I am sorry for all those hurt by recent events…

So, has anyone else seen the sudden increase in prices… if so, what models and how much?

Word on the street here in Hawaii is prices went up 100 bucks in 24 hours since the news, can only go up from there.

i dont know if its COMPLETE gouging, it is fair to say that its unfair, and it really sucks…but the big name shapers can see their boards as collectors items now…so there goes the price!

We actually had a gentleman come into our shop just to see if we had raised the prices. I just had to laugh a bit. It is true that it is the retailers prerogative to set their own price, but I think that it is just a bit sketchy to raise it on existing stock. I understand if the price increased with incoming orders, as long as it was due to an increase from the manufacturers. But who said business was ethical?

I spoke with a friend who is raising prices on his boards, and his justification was that there were likely some months coming up with no blank supply and therefore no sales (he shapes only, no other retail activity). As most shapers have limited resources, and no unemployment benefits to speak of, it may be a legitimate way to get through the drought before moving onto other suppliers and/or technologies. Gouging? Perhaps. Market reality? Pehaps as well. Hard call to make from the passenger seat. Best of luck to all those who make their living in the boards industry while this gets sorted out.

I can understand shapers, perhaps, raising their prices. But I can’t think of a good reason why a surf shop would raise prices on boards that they already have in their inventory (boards that they have already paid for at a pre “Black Monday” price) unless they were just taking advantge of the situation…well…unless they were run by OPEC.

Oh…and raising the price of a Surf-Tech, like Scott mentioned, is just plain ridiculous.

Raising the price of a Surftech, or any other board that’s not impacted negatively by the Clark closure, is to my way of thinking, abusive. No grey area there whatsoever. Profiteering is evil.

What about supply and demand. No Clark foam means fewer boards. Demand will remain relatively constant so until EPS board production fills the Clark void, prices will go up for all similar goods. Short term, I wouldn’t be suprised if board prices go up all around.

I have been fiending to build my own balsa burger for a while anyways. Anyone have a good rocker template that I could print out life size, transfer to plywood, and hotwire me an EPS blank? I am thinking rounded pin 6’5" for those head to head++ days.

later,

Spoons

I hate it, but I agree that the shops might need to raise the prices on their existing boards to cover the profit lost by declining sales volume. Once they can be assured of a steady supply of boards, they can drop their margin per board back to normal.

Surfboards never were the money maker in surf shops. I can’t think of many people who would buy a board if they were keystoned like most everything else. Granted, the boards brought people into the shop primarily, but it’s the sale of their other hardgoods (leashes, clothing, wax, videos, etc.) that lead to profits.

Again, it’s the shop’s prerogative to set it’s own prices. It is just my own opinion that raising the sale price on items, like jeffrey said, that were not negatively impacted by Clark Foams closure (i.e. existing stock, Surftechs) is exploitation.

To those who gripe about “price gouging”:

It’s hard to grasp that in a country, and now in a world, that is driven by the recognition of the efficiency of free market economics, youth still aren’t required to take courses on the basics of economics. It should be required from near kindergarten on up, every year. Talk to someone from Hong Kong: they “get” free market systems from an early age, and they are coming on strong and will be kicking our butts unless our youth understand and use these forces.

Thankfully, you can easily remember the basics of supply and demand, even if you haven’t been formally taught it in school, or learned it by hard knocks of having to manage a business yourself, actually pricing your product, managing costs, and surviving more than one up and down business cycle.

Your thinking is short sighted, and only looks at the demand side in the short term. With prices being raised in the short term due to the new shorter supply, guess what profit-minded manufacturers do? That’s right, they’ll make more, or develop alternatives. Both of which will drive prices down again later as more supply comes on line and satisfies demand.

As a side bar, shop managers are justified to raise their prices now no matter what their costs on their current boards are, since they’ll likely lose money later on the higher priced boards they’ll bring in during the interim, when they have to sell those higher priced boards during the declining prices when the prices drop later due to increased supply, and the resulting fulfilled demand.

It’s a system of flux, supply and demand. Those who understand the rules or guess right stay in business. But that’s good ! Profits enable them to stay in business and be there when you and I want them to be there to buy something we value. They will not get rich in the long term, certainly not from you. It’s just too competitive unless there are barriers to entry to competitors, and believe me the retail board business does NOT fall into that category. Only those who value the higher priced boards (maybe they just broke their only board) will buy them. If the high prices upset you, then that’s your choice, don’t buy now. If you value one a lot in the short term, buy one, but don’t gripe. It’s your choice. There is no price gouging. Just efficiency and more overall happiness for everyone. If you can’t understand that still, please take a course, or get self-taught on the internet, or ask someone who is really good at business both making money and keeping his customers happy to explain it to you. Then explain it to a friend. Or stay in the dark and gripe and look dumb.

Every business has fixed costs too. Costs that stay the same, no matter how many boards they sell - rent, phones, employee wages (not owner’s take home, believe me that can disappear) - and they probably know that without custom boards to drool over, they’ll have less foot traffic in the shop. Which means less t-shirts, boardbags, and wax sold.

Say a shop used to stock 50 polys & 50 serftechs a month. Say the average price was $500 each. $50,000 gross.

Now they might get 10 polys, and say they can order up to 75 serftechs. To get to the same $50K, they need to price all 85 boards at $588.23. To cover (hopefully) the lost revenue from the drooling tire-kickers, they go ahead and make it $600.

Some will have a customer base who will understand supply & demand and will support them. Those shops will be fine. Probably many of them will also find small guys & backyarders who can make some custom epoxies for a customer who will pay more for a personalized product.

Other shops will have customers who think an immediate price increase on all boards is “gouging” and will take their business to Costco. Those shops will likely not make it.

A lot depends on how each shop has positioned itself in the marketplace. If it already has a reputation for quality & customs, has loyal clients who understand the value of a handmade product, they will be fine. Shops who cater primarily to the 12-17 year old set and trade on price & name alone will either get enough offshore Rustys and Merricks or they’ll go under.

Good luck, boys.

Honcho,

Not trying to read between the lines to much but do where did you come up with “Black Monday”?

Any reference to Birds in the sky, Dave or Charlie?

Just curious. If you don’t understand my references no biggie.

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I can understand shapers, perhaps, raising their prices. But I can’t think of a good reason why a surf shop would raise prices on boards that they already have in their inventory (boards that they have already paid for at a pre “Black Monday” price) unless they were just taking advantge of the situation…well…unless they were run by OPEC.

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I can understand shapers, perhaps, raising their prices. But I can't think of a good reason why a surf shop would raise prices on boards that they already have in their inventory (boards that they have already paid for at a pre "Black Monday" price) unless they were just taking advantge of the situation...well...unless they were run by OPEC.

If I can’t find boards at pre black friday prices . . . have to DIY . . . nothing doin

Black monday refers to in 10-19-1987 most decline in stock market history and on 10-28-1929 when the stock market crashed one of leading events that caused the Great Depression of the 1930’s .

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I had posted this on the clark foam thread, but that got out of hand, so I'm starting a new thread for it...

I went down to the surfshop near my house today… half their inventory isn’t there anymore and every board has been hiked up in price from $50 - 100 more. I asked them whats up… their answer… their incoming stock will be limited so they need to conserve what they have until they can find a new manufacturer… in the mean time, the boards taken off the racks were the customs… the one left… almost 100% surftech… first off… I thought surftech wasn’t affected by this since they manufacture overseas… so why raise the prices on them? I think shops are getting greedy and see a great opportunity to rip people off… also, is it surftech or the shop raising prices? any ideas?

as far as the name of this shop… ill leave it anonymous… I dont wanna get into the whole trash talking thing going on lately…

luckily, I just went in for wax and I shape my own boards… EPS/Epoxy, so this doent really affect me.

although I am sorry for all those hurt by recent events…

So, has anyone else seen the sudden increase in prices… if so, what models and how much?

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Harbour added 400.00 premium to two of the boards I was looking at. They went from $880. to $1280.

price increases effect eps too as now the eps suppleirs have raised there prices too

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Rip Curl holds the line.

Anyone trying to take advantage of the recent shortage of blanks is a pirate! Until the wholesale value of surfboard is increased by the manufacture no Rip Curl shop will be increasing the price on any board currently in stock and will continue to mark up our surfboards just as we have since 1978. Thanks for your support and happy holidays!

Enjoy the search!

it is easy for one that has been selling cheap chinese made boards for years, and some of the highest priced wetsuits on the market to call others pirates. who are the real corperate pirates, who sell board shorts for $50 dollars a pair(less than a yard of fabric per pair) at the cost of a few dollars . They are the pirates. Surfing Is about riding waves. without boards the sport is non existant plain and simple.