First off…Yes, I did archive this and couldn’t find anything specific…
Built a speedier mid length 8-6, 15 3/8 N, 22 1/2, 14 1/4 T with some V through the tail. Finished as a 2 + 1 but saw a nice Carl Schaper 8-6 in a shop within 1/4" of my shape set up as a quad and figured to retro fit mine.
I like the effort (R&D) and detail McKee has put into his system
and would like to dial this quad in as close as possible. The front fins
don’t seem to be a problem - they’re set per Mckee at 15" and with 4
degree inserts with the V should be fine - he calls for 5 deg.
When
I put the rear Pro-Box in, McKee suggests 2.5 deg. cant. Now, I realize
the V will give me some of that - if I use 0 deg. inserts - but not
all, and 4 deg. inserts will be too much.
What all has everyone
been doing/trying to dial similar boards in? Am I
being too anal and should just put the 0 deg. inserts in and go with it?
Cant the boxes on install?
Larry, what do you folks do on similar
boards? Are 2 degree inserts
something to consider?
Have to say…loving the Pro-Box system. I find the install a snap and wouldn’t go back …great choice of fins and no more plastic side bites…Great system overall and Larry knows more about fins than anyone I’ve ever talked to. Anyone looking for an FCS install kit, some plugs and install vid (VHS)?
Thanks for the kind words my friend. 2 degree is in the picture and alot more stuff, alot of R&D is going on.
Since the V puts you almost there by cant at 2 degree, using forward adjustment in a 0 degree insert will fine tune for looseness.
Or using 4 degree insert and moving the fin back wil give you the fine tune in another manner to create the performance feel of a fixed 2 degree cant using FCS in the same board concept.
Hope this helps for now until 2 degree comes to market and other options, THANKS to the demand and support from friends like you and my other new surfing friends in the surfing community.
I’ve been dreading this day - when someone asks me to post pictures. Never done it on Sways, so I guess it’s time to learn…'cept I’m not a real computer type - lucky if I can get an attachment onto an e-mail…
If I get some snaps though, I should give it a try…I guess…
Got the boxes in and reglossed and polished today. As said, the front fins are @ 15", 1 5/16 from rail set at 3 degree toe-in (don’t know what that is off the nose - just how I do it).
Has an 8 1/2" FU center box 5" off tail.
The new quad boxes are set per McKee: 8 1/4" from tail, 6 1/2" between trailing edges (3 1/4 from center each), toe was set 1/2" off stringer centerline at nose.
If you’re real savvy at posting pics on Sways…p.m. me and I could e-mail a couple of snaps…
"I've been dreading this day - when someone asks me to post pictures. Never done it on Sways, so I guess it's time to learn...'cept I'm not a real computer type - lucky if I can get an attachment onto an e-mail..."
ha ha ha, yah, it took me a while to get it... pm sent with my email... i'll post 'em if i can
I too have been a little perplexed with the rears and cant. I have futures and have a set of their 375 rears in 1/2". I called futures and found out that the cant on these are 2deg. I am going to also use these are sidebites on my #3 with a 7" 4a GG with v in the tail. I found out from futures that their 1/2" rears/sidebites are 2 deg, but the 3/4" are 4 deg in the same template of fin?!?!?! I don’t get it why different cant for tang depth? they couldn’t answer my question as to why and said the engineers would know. Pro-box Larry? Is there some special formula to this?
I too have been a little perplexed with the rears and cant. I have futures and have a set of their 375 rears in 1/2". I called futures and found out that the cant on these are 2deg. I am going to also use these are sidebites on my #3 with a 7" 4a GG with v in the tail. I found out from futures that their 1/2" rears/sidebites are 2 deg, but the 3/4" are 4 deg in the same template of fin?!?!?! I don't get it why different cant for tang depth? they couldn't answer my question as to why and said the engineers would know. Pro-box Larry? Is there some special formula to this?
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aroq, Sorry you are having problems with Future Fins. There is only ONE special formula, using a 21 century system designed for multiple applications not using a out dated system originally designed to ship more boards which had side bites and thrusters only back in the mid 90's which didn't need to perform in a Twin or multi fin world. The big molding companies and importers need to have you buy what they have because tooling costs and inventory from overseas manufacturing is impossible to control in a custom world. It will only get worst for importers and molders and better for domestic manufactures.
The engineers are marketing specialist they have to figure out how to answer you, without you coming to the same conclusion I just brought to your attention. Not that Future is bad don't get me wrong just not designed for the Future.
That answers my question as to why they would make the same template in different deg of cant for different depth of tang. They just did and need to sell them. Thank you, I get it.
It seems that some companies do this to unload un-used product and it makes sense in a business model, kinda like the discount meat at the supermarket.
I’m not really having a problem with the fins as they are, it just puzzled me as to the difference between the two cants. I would love to find a system that would incoorporate my existing fins as well as others, and at this time there isn’t any that I know of. I would really hate to scrap the sets of fins I have now. If anyone knows of a system that is truly universal please let me know.
That answers my question as to why they would make the same template in different deg of cant for different depth of tang. They just did and need to sell them. Thank you, I get it.
It seems that some companies do this to unload un-used product and it makes sense in a business model, kinda like the discount meat at the supermarket.
I'm not really having a problem with the fins as they are, it just puzzled me as to the difference between the two cants. I would love to find a system that would incoorporate my existing fins as well as others, and at this time there isn't any that I know of. I would really hate to scrap the sets of fins I have now. If anyone knows of a system that is truly universal please let me know.
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aroq, It so happens that with Future having the longest tang makes it hard to have a system incorporate it with FCS or ProBox and smaller tangs of others. So you can extend the life of your Future fins to be used in ProBox with a simple conversion kit that Greenlight is about to release. The Kit will come with a short video and more for about the cost of lunch. Contact Greenlight Surf Supply at info@Greenlightsurfsupply.com for more info. The only problem is that once your Future Fin is converted it won't go back to Future.
Larry, that is fine by me. I don’t mind if the fins can’t back fit. I believe i’ve read something along the lines of cutting the tang down to fit, but it seems that the last set I got has the holes drilled into the tang. Not sure if this is to prevent the retrofit or to reduce weight or both.
Nice looking board. I think 6-degree and 4-degree rears would be my choice. Front fins in middle of box and rear fins in middle of box, because of pull in tail design. Like the diamond tail, one of my favorite.
soulstice, Nice to see you my friend. Haven't seen you much on sways, hope all is well. Always great to see some words of wisdom from my Swaylockian Bros. Mahalo,larry
Larry, that is fine by me. I don't mind if the fins can't back fit. I believe i've read something along the lines of cutting the tang down to fit, but it seems that the last set I got has the holes drilled into the tang. Not sure if this is to prevent the retrofit or to reduce weight or both.
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Hi aroq, Here's a you tube video showing How to convert Future Fins to fit ProBox. Enjoy my friend.
Thanks, I’ll be converting over to ProBox soon and will need this. Just gotta get my install kit and a hadfull of inserts and boxes. Thanks again to all for the info.
