Resin Tinted Rails

General Discussion
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Hey guys, kinda new to Swaylock's and still pretty amateur on shaping. Anyways, I had a question on some resin tint/pigment patterns for this next board coming up. What I wanted to do with this next board was only tint the rails (red), while leaving the rest of the deck and bottom of the board with a clear finish. I've searched around, but can't seem to find much luck on how to do this. What I plan on doing is to have a paisley inlay fit the deck and a matching inlay cut-out for the tail patch on the bottom, with the rails being red. Any kind of input helps, and I appreciate your time.

Thanks!

Cole

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I have done several boards with tint rails. Here is the sequence of events.

   1) I shot black pinlines to define the inside border. They were done top and bottom.

   2)Taped off rail from pinline down to halfway (just like glossing)

   3) Mixed up tint resin (I did yellow). Reichold gloss resin tinted and strained

   4) Applied yellow tint…just like a gloss.

   5)repeat the same thing on bottom

   6) After doing both sides you need to sand the seam along the rail off (I use a razor blade to scrape it) and lighty sand the whole thing with 180 paper. I also use some red scotchbrite.

  7) Now you can gloss the board.

  8) You dont have to do a pin. I just like the looks. Set the resin off hot. I like it to kick in 15 minutes.

  Hope that helps  … there may be other ways to do it but it always worked for me.

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Thanks, that helps a lot! So to make sure I'm understanding correctly, you would go about glassing the whole board as a clear finish for the cloth. Then after the hot coat and pin line, you would apply the tint in the same way as you would a gloss coat? And after the tint is applied, all you need after is the gloss coat (and sanding of course)?

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Well Ya could pick a easier color to do a out of normal lay up.  Some tints are user friendly to do this job like yellow tint. 

I have done a few acid splash rail only. The reason I say get funky is because a splash when over lapping each other at the apex on the rail and ya can’t see where the lay ups blend.

Ya tape off like a normal color job. Ya go around the board and splah color only on you lap. Taking extra care not to get any color on the bottom only on your rails. Then wet out your bottom tuck your rails taking extra effort not to get any color on the bottom, If you get a little on the edge don’t worry the deck wrap will hide it. 

Ok now prep and dress the deck doing the same on the deck. Color your rails making sure you add color up above the apex over lapping the bottom color seam. Cut the deck lap. 

Bam you have color rails and clear bot/top. The thing with tints some blend and some stand out at the point of blend. I would think about splash for your first one maybe red and blue with a little black to splashed in. 

I’ll see if I can find a pic of one I did. Good luck 

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I did it like cleanlines but primed the laps after coloring with a thin hotcoat, sanded the rails to desired shape again, then gloss coated.

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you can also do a 'double cutlap' before you laminate the top or bottom. tape off the deck and the bottom of your shaped blank. cut strips of cloth for the rails and laminate just the rails, then cut the lap and pull the tape top and bottom. then laminate as ususal. i have done this with carbon fibaer rails on stringerless blanks and also on a board with bamboo skins top and bottom - the rail lap line gives an edge to true up the skins.

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foam stain the rails then glass clear

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brilliant

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Foam stain is easy but the question was resin tint on the rails after board was glassed clear.

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This is what CitrusSurf said. No precision whatsoever about the board being already glassed clear. The foam stain is by far the easiest way to do it. Of course, Cleanlines’ and Sanolocal’s techniques are much more “pro”, but, well, many ways to skin a cat, as you say…

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I guess I missed something. When I hear the words “resin tint” I don’t associate it with painting on the foam. My impression has always been that if you want a resin tint (which is transparent) it is normally done in the lamination or over the hot coat. If the OP had asked about just coloring the rails red I wouldn’t have even answered.

   I guess the question now is how many ways can you do a proper resin tint on a surfboard? (and can it be done left handed?)

 

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If you do choose to do a foam stain, you can use opaque pigment instead of a tint. It looks tinted, because it is such a thin application you can see through it…I’ve never done a tinted resin foam stain…only opaque. Tinted may be more difficult. just my thought so take it for what it’s worth… good luck

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You want a “Rich with depth” red tint rail it has to be done in the cloth. Foam staining with tint is never as nice looking. You want to do what ever in the lease amount of steps. The more steps you create the more chances of something going wrong. Think of Russian roulette ? How many times do ya want to take chances? Stick to the basics and remember Kiss? B). Keep it simple slick

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Definitely want the "rich with depth" look like you're talking about Sanolocal. And same as you were saying too cleanlines...I dont want to do any sprays or acrylics and whatnot...Im still learning, but I'd rather mess up the color job on this board and learn how to do the clean professional look for next time anyways. Thanks for all your help guys, think I'm starting to get it.

Could you describe your way again with the color splashing Sano? From what I'm getting at, you're glassing your board with clear resin while having a second cup of resin on the side with your color (in my case red). Then as you lay down the clear resin on the cloth, are you splahing the colored resin on the edges of the laps? If that's the case, how do you keep the color looking clean cut on the bottom, without running into the clear (I know you would lay tape down on the deck, so the overlap doesn't matter)?

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Actually, it might have just clicked for me. Are you cutting your rail laps so that they only cover halfway down the rail, then repeating the same process on the other side? I guess in that case you wouldn't have too much cloth covering the rail, and you'd only have to sand down the seam line in the center of the rail. If that's the case, then I think I understand what to do now

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Hey Citrus You prep it like a normal color job. Tape off the deck. Cut your cloth like normal. Now pour two buckets of resin. One bucket fill it like you’re going to glass the board normal amount never hurts to have a little extra then not enough.

Second bucket fill half which will be your color resin. Get a couple of paper coffee cups 12oz. They will be for your black and blue or black and yellow. No green it will turn brown when mixed with red? So pick colors the mix well together. 

Get a 4" brush and if ya have a few squeegee or lots of acetone. Extra squeegees so ya don’t have to waste time cleaning them when ya tuck your rails and laying up the bottom. Stuff a rag in waste band to wipe them on as you’re working.

You’re going to need a few mixing sticks ( tongue depressor) to mix color in the cups with and fling/drip color. 

To be safe take some masking paper and cut it to cover just the bottom a couple of pins to hold the paper in place. Think of it as a paper drop cloth that so you can splash/drip color “only on the hanging lap” on the lap without making a mess and getting it on the bottom. That has to stay clean. Very important !!! 

Ok ready? Mix your half bucket real slow to give yourself time about 3 or 4 cc. Pour some in the cups about half full. With mix stick put a nice scoop of blue tint and black in each cup. Mix them up good lots set aside. Mix a couple scoops of red tint in the remaining resin and mix it up good. 

Time to Splash with the black walk around the board dripping or flipping the color on the hanging lap cloth not the bottom. Space the drips say 8" apart all down the rail. Then do the same with the blue or yellow whatever color you pick. Remember the closer you drip the more drips ya need takes more time. So space your drips giving you enough time. Now get your red and that 4" hotcoat brush. Now by dipping the brush in the red and going along  cleaning off the brush on the rail. Just like you were going to remove excess on the bucket. Make surf you lap is all wet in color and DONT GET ANY COLOR ON THE BOTTOM. Carefully remove the paper off the bottom. 

Grab and mix up your clear as normal. Wet out your bottom and tuck your rails. If you get a little color on the bottom push it with resin off the bottom on to the rail and not drag that color down the bottom. KEEP IT CLEAN !!! If ya get some color on your squeegee wipe it on you bib and keep moving times a wasting. Cleaning up the rails can get messy so keep your tool clean. Tuck and wipe tuck and wipe . Now the rail has color to the bottom edge of your board.

Doing the deck is the same just wetting the Hanging lap with color. Remember the cloth is hanging off the Apex of the rail so as long as you wet the hanging lap on both side they will blend at the apex and bottom edge where they overlap each other. 

Bam your done. Red acid splash rails with a clear deck and bottom! Hows it look? You see what I’m talking about now? Geezzzz it took me longer to explain how then it would have for me to do it. 

This is not an easy tint job to do even for me and I’ve done at least a thousand plus and I screw up on these trick tint jobs more then I would want to admit. Then again Shit happens to EVERYONE. Good luck and have fun. Post pics I want to see no matter how it comes out. 

Remember color doesn’t change how the board rides. So have at it and Keep the stoke.

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