Guess the title says it all…I know I’ve asked about the bisects, before, but I was wondering if any of you have attempted to come up with your OWN solutions. How do you get around patent infringements?! In other words, have any of you come up with a good take apart board which held up well when put into actual use…also, will pope sell a person the hardware to convert a board? (I shouldn’t have even asked…OF COURSE the answer is NO! {‘ceptin’ the $hapers with an ARRANGEMENT, obviously}). Just wondering if any of the more innovative “amongst” you have tried this. ??? T.
Guess the title says it all…I know I’ve asked about the bisects, before, > but I was wondering if any of you have attempted to come up with your OWN > solutions. How do you get around patent infringements?! In other words, > have any of you come up with a good take apart board which held up well > when put into actual use…also, will pope sell a person the hardware to > convert a board? (I shouldn’t have even asked…OF COURSE the answer is > NO! {‘ceptin’ the $hapers with an ARRANGEMENT, obviously}). Just wondering > if any of the more innovative “amongst” you have tried this. ??? > T. A short time ago I received an inquiry from a student who was working on a graduate project(?), and briefly participated in several subsequent emails, regarding specific ideas related to the construction of a similar method… from the sounds of it, he got good marks for his final efforts. Again, to produce something like this, for personal use, that
s functional, definitely isnt rocket science… but, for mass sales/commercial purposes is another matter entirely. After watching George Greenoughs "Innermost Limits Of Pure Fun" again, I was reminded of some of that films late 1960`s paricipants “solution” to their surfboard length/transportation problem… remember the peeled, bashed, chopped and torched “multi-sect” sequence?
yeah but… how did they get it back together???
yeah but… how did they get it back together??? In those days there were a few witnesses to a traveler who came from the future to ride their waves & the bright light of that inspiration quickly set aflame the final chapter of the old era`s book of ways & from those ashes arose new life.
yeah but… how did they get it back together??? A few years ago I had access to the old bisect jigs from the 60’S, as a result I did several old boards for customers in southern Cal. They hold together very well, my fear is that sitting on the board could deal out a severe pinching to ones ass if the board wiggles at all. I had a bar stool years ago that would pinch you so bad that from a split in the wood.
Guess the title says it all…I know I’ve asked about the bisects, before, > but I was wondering if any of you have attempted to come up with your OWN > solutions. How do you get around patent infringements?! In other words, > have any of you come up with a good take apart board which held up well > when put into actual use…also, will pope sell a person the hardware to > convert a board? (I shouldn’t have even asked…OF COURSE the answer is > NO! {‘ceptin’ the $hapers with an ARRANGEMENT, obviously}). Just wondering > if any of the more innovative “amongst” you have tried this. ??? > T. I know Carl has an engineering background and has done extensive R&D on his product. If you want to mess with your own ideas , fine. Don’t come groveling to the Sway’s to do your work. Pope has spent a lifetime at it ,and you look for ways around his patent. He cuts the boards on his own tooling , then installs that fittings at his shop. Your in Time Out buddy!
I know Carl has an engineering background and has done extensive R&D > on his product. If you want to mess with your own ideas , fine. Don’t come > groveling to the Sway’s to do your work. Pope has spent a lifetime at it > ,and you look for ways around his patent. He cuts the boards on his own > tooling , then installs that fittings at his shop.>>> Your in Time Out buddu Yikes! The same pinching argument could be applied to everything discussed here. What if Simon Anderson had patented the thruster? How would anything happen if nobody ever wondered how to get from an old reality to a new reality? If experts never shared their experience? Besides, these ain’t atom bomb secrets we’re talking about.
I know Carl has an engineering background and has done extensive R&D > on his product. If you want to mess with your own ideas , fine. Don’t come > groveling to the Sway’s to do your work. Pope has spent a lifetime at it > ,and you look for ways around his patent. He cuts the boards on his own > tooling , then installs that fittings at his shop.>>> Your in Time Out buddy! Hey, man… like we
re NOT supposed to come around groveling?? And all this time I thought thats what Swaylocks was actually intended for… NOW you tell me!!! GROVEL, GROVELING, GROVELLED, GROVELER, GROVELINGLY (1) to wallow with the face on the ground, crawl or creep. (2) to lie prostrate in token of abasement or subservience. (3) to give oneself over to that which is base or unworthy.
I know Carl has an engineering background and has done extensive R&D > on his product. If you want to mess with your own ideas , fine. Don’t come > groveling to the Sway’s to do your work. Pope has spent a lifetime at it > ,and you look for ways around his patent. He cuts the boards on his own > tooling , then installs that fittings at his shop.>>> Your in Time Out buddy! Anybody can patent almost anything. The American patent office stopped “approving” patents a long time ago. Only some portions of patents are defendable. Modifications occur to people using implements all the time to make the implement do what the implement might ordinarily be expected to do. The application of such modifications aren’t defendable as valid patents. Only the patent applicant’s specific method of modification is defendable. That’s my understanding. Using this criteria, anybody who wants to travel might think of some way to divide a surfboard in half, then recombine the halves for surfing at his destination. This idea would not be patentable. I’ll even go one step farther. If the traveler’s method of dividing and recombining the surfboard uses means which any other traveler might use, his specific method isn’t patentable. Nor can it break anybody’s patent. If the traveler develops a unique, innovative method of accomplishing the task, his method is patentable, regardless of other patents which accomplish the same purpose. Neither does this traveler’s unique method infringe on previous patents. I’ve just read about lots of patent fights. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Anybody can patent almost anything. The American patent office stopped > “approving” patents a long time ago.>>> Only some portions of patents are defendable. Modifications occur to > people using implements all the time to make the implement do what the > implement might ordinarily be expected to do. The application of such > modifications aren’t defendable as valid patents. Only the patent > applicant’s specific method of modification is defendable.>>> That’s my understanding.>>> Using this criteria, anybody who wants to travel might think of some way > to divide a surfboard in half, then recombine the halves for surfing at > his destination. This idea would not be patentable. I’ll even go one step > farther. If the traveler’s method of dividing and recombining the > surfboard uses means which any other traveler might use, his specific > method isn’t patentable. Nor can it break anybody’s patent.>>> If the traveler develops a unique, innovative method of accomplishing the > task, his method is patentable, regardless of other patents which > accomplish the same purpose. Neither does this traveler’s unique method > infringe on previous patents.>>> I’ve just read about lots of patent fights. Correct me if I’m wrong. I
ve been through this with other products/ideas unrelated to surfing... sounds much like what I read and was told by patent attorneys and other successful (and unsuccessful) inventors/entrepreneurs, some of whom had need of patents, and many more who didnt go anywhere near that path and still did very well for themselves.
Guess the title says it all…I know I’ve asked about the bisects, before, [snip] I think the important question is, “Why are you wanting to do this?”. In the software industry, we always ask the customer, “What problem are you trying to solve?”. If you talk about what it is you’re trying to do/solve, some ingenious alternatives can surface.
I think the important question is, “Why are you wanting to do > this?”. In the software industry, we always ask the customer, > “What problem are you trying to solve?”.>>> If you talk about what it is you’re trying to do/solve, some ingenious > alternatives can surface. Well put, mjt! One of my guides in “problem solving” (and very applicable to surfcraft design/construction) is to never unintentionally create several secondary difficulties through the intentional resolution of the first one…
I know Carl has an engineering background and has done extensive R&D > on his product. If you want to mess with your own ideas , fine. Don’t come > groveling to the Sway’s to do your work. Pope has spent a lifetime at it > ,and you look for ways around his patent. He cuts the boards on his own > tooling , then installs that fittings at his shop.>>> Your in Time Out buddy! Call Carl and ask him to help you. He might bisect your own board for you. Just don’t ask him how to get around his hard earned patent. It seems that there are plenty of other people willing to do that . As I stated, If you want to work on your own ideas, and share them, fine. The # is listed.
So, based on these possiblities “a severe pinching of one’s ass” could arise unexpectedly? Jim Phillips’ anecdote made me smile because we’ve all had setbacks in our best laid plans and ideas. Even funnier was the reminder of an old stool I had that would bite the crap out of you from time to time. Here is another surfcraft designer with similar thoughts. Creativity certainly seems to be linked to neccesity. http://www.splitbits.com.au/>>> Well put, mjt!>>> One of my guides in “problem solving” (and very applicable to > surfcraft design/construction) is to never unintentionally create several > secondary difficulties through the intentional resolution of the first > one…
Call Carl and ask him to help you. He might bisect your own board for you. > Just don’t ask him how to get around his hard earned patent. It seems that > there are plenty of other people willing to do that . As I stated, If you > want to work on your own ideas, and share them, fine. The # is listed. You can legally copy anything in the world (although the federal government might balk at a nuke)as long as it is not intended for commerce. The laws are intended for sale of said product.
Boy!..I go away for the weekend, and there’s all this! Thanks for all the responses(thanks, Noodle, for the “legalese”{you got the overall gist}). Thanks, also, to everyone else who, basically, defended my right to ASK QUESTIONS about this topic. I wasn’t out to “rip anyone off”, “E.Pac”…it wasn’t meant to be a “production-for-mass-consumption” issue. the idea was to see if anyone else had come up with anything similar, that I could adapt to MY OWN boards…for my own personal use. When I asked “how do you ‘get around’ patent infringements”, it wasn’t to compete, but to avoid stepping on anyone’s toes! But I get REALLY SUSPICIOUS when someone at this site, basically tells me to peddle my papers elsewhere…at a forum dedicated to the free exchange of ideas and tips. (and all of YOU should be ,too!).
When I asked “how do you ‘get > around’ patent infringements”, it wasn’t to compete, but to avoid > stepping on anyone’s toes! But I get REALLY SUSPICIOUS when someone at > this site, basically tells me to peddle my papers elsewhere…at a forum > dedicated to the free exchange of ideas and tips. (and all of YOU should > be ,too!). I agree. In this litigenous age patent laws seem to be placed so that an inventor has to protect himself. My hat is off to those who do so. However, there seems to be no shortage of trigger happy, insecure idiots using our courts to stroke their deflated egos by punishing anyone who breathes. For the famous bisect system, I’ve read about “tubes” with bolts ending inside them. If I were to build a two-part board, I would use the same system which carpenters have used for centuries. I would make a wedge, a V protruding from one board segment into a corresponding groove in the other segment. I would secure bolts into one segment which insert through holes into the other segment. The bolts would end in an opening, past a flange. I would merely insert a nut onto the bolt and tighten it against the flange. The nut would draw the two board segments together. The wedge would guide and keep the board halves in place. Then I’d have some kind of flap to cover the opening. I would feel absolutely confident about using such a system, and even selling it on the open market. As I said, such a system has been used by furniture makers for centuries, and it represents a method of solving a problem in a way which anybody would naturally think of and use.
I agree. In this litigenous age patent laws seem to be placed so that an > inventor has to protect himself. My hat is off to those who do so.>>> However, there seems to be no shortage of trigger happy, insecure idiots > using our courts to stroke their deflated egos by punishing anyone who > breathes.>>> For the famous bisect system, I’ve read about “tubes” with bolts > ending inside them. If I were to build a two-part board, I would use the > same system which carpenters have used for centuries. I would make a > wedge, a V protruding from one board segment into a corresponding groove > in the other segment. I would secure bolts into one segment which insert > through holes into the other segment. The bolts would end in an opening, > past a flange. I would merely insert a nut onto the bolt and tighten it > against the flange. The nut would draw the two board segments together. > The wedge would guide and keep the board halves in place. Then I’d have > some kind of flap to cover the opening. I would feel absolutely confident > about using such a system, and even selling it on the open market.>>> As I said, such a system has been used by furniture makers for centuries, > and it represents a method of solving a problem in a way which anybody > would naturally think of and use. Speaking of sectional surfboards, woodworking and structural joints, it
s well-known, ancient knowledge that the absolute weakest joint is the straight cut, butt joint... youre right on, Noodle!
I agree. In this litigenous age patent laws seem to be placed so that an > inventor has to protect himself. My hat is off to those who do so.>>> However, there seems to be no shortage of trigger happy, insecure idiots > using our courts to stroke their deflated egos by punishing anyone who > breathes.>>> For the famous bisect system, I’ve read about “tubes” with bolts > ending inside them. If I were to build a two-part board, I would use the > same system which carpenters have used for centuries. I would make a > wedge, a V protruding from one board segment into a corresponding groove > in the other segment. I would secure bolts into one segment which insert > through holes into the other segment. The bolts would end in an opening, > past a flange. I would merely insert a nut onto the bolt and tighten it > against the flange. The nut would draw the two board segments together. > The wedge would guide and keep the board halves in place. Then I’d have > some kind of flap to cover the opening. I would feel absolutely confident > about using such a system, and even selling it on the open market.>>> As I said, such a system has been used by furniture makers for centuries, > and it represents a method of solving a problem in a way which anybody > would naturally think of and use. Constantine Colburn circa 60’s As in Con Surfboards
I’d be interested in your ideas for a two piece board. Of all the posts here, there is more about me challenging the “give me an idea”, please ,mentality. I think Jim the Genius is right on about copying anything you want. So, do you want to copy it, or think of another way? When you want to build a new board, do you go find one you like and lay it down on the tracing paper? I have grown to like some of the design sharing here . What are the design tips in this thread? I am not trying to stop the flow of free information , or you not wanting to step on anyones toes. Sorry for the time out thing. That was dumb, and it was late.