Rode a Kneeboard this weekend...

A customer of mine left his kneeboard with me this last week. Said “take it out if you want”.

So I did.

Little backstory. My second board ever was a New Wave Twin-fin. Double wing swallow. My friends said it was a kneeboard. I surfed it. First turns ever on that board.

Saturday at my spot, peaky, chest high. Little north in it.

Sunday, little more walled but fast.

Caught a few.

The last wave I surfed it. Yeah.

Learned a lot on that day.

  1. Swim fins on my feet felt odd. Never had to turn my back while entering the water before.

  2. There is no Frontside or Backside.

  3. Don’t try to pump down the line off the tail. Lean forward a bit.

  4. Didn’t really need those swim fins. Caught plenty just paddeling.

  5. Got a little cover-up on my third wave.

  6. I now know which direction to go in my Kneeboard designs.

Been doing more of these lately. But as a shaper, I need to know the dynamics of all of the boards I build.

This was enlightening.

No, not me. My friend.

Awesome.

Instead of putting the swim fins on the beach do it lifeguard style and walk out waist deep in the water and then put them on.  Much easier.

The board you are riding was made specifically for LJ reefs.  I think your other customer just focuses on beach breaks with his boards.

You are getting the best of both worlds.

I think you should order up a blank and make one for yourself.

Keep taking it out, though kneeboarding in small waves doesn’t have the wow factor of carving the hell out of a six foot wall does.

Welcome to the darkside.

 

I love this.

all the best

The green and pedestrian crossing ones are sweet.

The best in the world don’t use swimfins - no need + better turn chracteristics without swimfins.

The truth!

Eh Barry,

welcome to the “kneel and spray” club!!!

By no means take this wrong!

My take is you stood up.

Kneeling changes things a bit.

Here is mine (a Bud McCray Blast) with a quad up grade.

Note fin placement.

Oh,

I don’t kneel all the time

But when I do it’s crankin’

Yeah, on my first wave, I thought I did not have enough fin.

I even put some big MR style fins in and larger Quad trilers.

Then I realized that I needed to shift my weight for ward and pivot more from the centre.

I probably have shaped over 25 of these things throughout my career.

I can shape anything I put my mind to.

Love a challenge.

To be continued…

Actually I see things a little differently to that.

For instance, 'last time I saw Parkesy (David Parkes; 6-times National Open champion and 2-time World Masters Champion) competing in the Island Pro last year he was wearing bigger and longer fins than anyone there. Parkesy is definitely one of the best and has been so for a very long time.

You’re no slouch yourself either Red and I’ve seen you wear 'em too.

While it’s true that many of the best often don’t wear them during a regular session - their paddling fitness using arms alone is so good they don’t need to use fins to get themselves around in the surf during a session, but under certain circumstances they will occasionally strap a pair on when it makes sense to do so (e.g. during a marathon 6-hour session, or one where there’s an unusually intensive/large amount of paddling to be done where they can use all the help they can get).

The point of wearing fins while kneeboarding is because it’s sensible to do so. They’re there to make life easier on you. And the downside to using them is usually minimal.

You can paddle a kneeboard significantly faster using arms alone than you can by kicking along with your fins.

The main point of them (from my perspective anyway) is to help you motor out to the lineup while giving your arms a break and saving them for when you really need to paddle hard and fast. Not to catch waves with.

Sure, they can help a tiny bit in catching a wave - as the wave starts to pick you up and the tail of the board (along with your legs and feet) sinks into the water a little, you can get a little bit of extra thrust by kicking with your legs at the same time as you’re paddling with your arms, but it’ll be only about 5% coming from your legs as compared to the 95% of the thrust that’s coming from your arms.

Nothing wrong with having that extra 5% though - sometimes you need that extra tiny bit if you’re taking off into the teeth of a rip, a strong offshore or a really big wave where you need every last bit of speed just to scratch your way onto the wave.

And even in cases where you don’t actually need that 5%, having it will also help you get onto a wave a little bit earlier. Nothing wrong with that either.

In regard to them interfering with turning, that can be true in terms of the edges of the fins catching the water during a turn through them being close to the rail, or sometimes even hanging over the edge of it.

That can be partly due to the outline of the board, but (from my perspective anyway) it’s mostly because 98% of the kneeboarders out there are using the wrong fins.

About 98% of kneeboarders I’ve seen are using bodyboarding fins (short and wide), when in fact what they should be using are longer and narrower fins like the Voit UDT Duck Feet fins that Parkesy uses.

George Greenough uses them too, and he oughta know.

Bodyboarders use wide fins because those wide edges help give them better control during the times when they’re steering with their legs while on a wave.

But kneeboarders don’t do that. We don’t ride with most of our legs hanging off the back of the board on a wave, and we sure don’t use them to steer and change direction on a wave.

All we use them for is forward propulsion while paddling out, and maybe a little extra thrust while paddling into a wave.

And we certainly don’t want the fins clipping the water during a turn or while trimming along a hollow face; remember, (from what I’ve read), the main factor influencing Steve Lis when he developed the fish shape was in trying to prevent his fins from clipping the water during turns (he traced an outline of how his knees, shins and fins contacted the board, and altered the outline of his next board to fit around that, while still keeping the characteristics of the pintails he liked to ride). Hey presto. The Fish.

As a kneeboarder what you want is something that is great for effortlessly cruising out to the line up (a longer fin), but will sit inboard/away from the rail while you’re up and riding (a narrower fin).

And that’s exactly what I see when I watch Parkesy riding; the edges of his fins are nicely inboard from the rails of his board and run flush with them down towards the tail.

Beats me why the majority of kneeboarders use the wide bodyboarding fins that come close to, or even hang over the edge.

Maybe it’s just because that’s what they see everyone else using, and because they’re so readily available, while the long, narrow open-heeled swimfins aren’t stocked much in the surf and sport shops/aren’t so readily available.

Maybe they don’t stop to think about it too much. And fair enough; bodyboarding fins work well enough for the average joe kneeboarder.

Anyway, my next pair are going to be longer and narrower.

I could go into this further, but I’ve already spent way too much time on this post and there’s other stuff I really ought to be doing.

Catch ya in the water, & Cheers all!

L.I.T.

Islanders

got a long way to go.

My buds have trimmed down Chuchill’s

Contests?

Fins required.

Out here (when it’s on) we just sit on the edge

So much better sans fins!